Was Mary Cain's Atalanta NYC Team downsized?

Lol. Another virtue signaling project down the drain. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature and a nano shred of common sense could have predicted this outcome. Get woke, go broke.

Overpaid Tracksmith Intern wrote:

Knobs Sizzler wrote:

LOL. How do you attract actual elites to live/train in NYC on like, maaaaybe, $30 or $40k per year and all the Tracksmith gear you can sell on eBay? This whole idea is really dumb. Guessing Tracksmith green lit it because they realized they didn’t know what they actually signed MC to do.

I think I read it was 60k a year, but I think your point does not change.

thats poverty wages in NYC.

as a pro runner you want to be as close to central park as possible (very hard on 60k unless you want to live in harlem which sort of sucks and even then is probably impossible). but even then, it would suck to train as you are constantly getting to and from tracks and parks with public transit (since you only make 60k). Public transit so crowded you have to STAND on the subway most the time. prospect park is a 45 min train ride from core midtown/central park area which would be annoying to do back and forth standing after a hard workout.

NYC is a decent place to train if you are making 250k as a white collar professional as a side hobby, can afford an apartment one block from central park, and can take ubers, rent a car to hit up rockefeler preserve in westchester when needed etc.

For a pro thats taking running serious? forget it. Just live in Sleepy hollow ny and train in the rockefeller preserve everyday.

Also want to break down something people are not highlighting. working ANY job in NYC is exhausting. Commuting is exhausting (either a crammed subway ride or long walk), buying lunch is exhausting (have to walk to nearby place and waiting in long line), going on errands is exhausting, most young people live in walkups so you are constantly walking up stairs to get home, walking up stairs to exit a subway stop, walking to transfer trains.

when I lived in manhattan I barely ran and still lost weight since I was walking so much. I was pretty tired at night from it all. add in the stress of trying to afford everything, all the distractions from the nightlife/dating, and its just a damn tiring place.

add in the PROFESSIONAL RUNNING part to it all would be tough since elite training stresses the body at high levels. I would definitely not want to be walking all over the damn city to buy milk/going up endless stairs to my crappy 5th floor walkup carrying groceries and ikea furniture while trying to recover from a progressive overload interval training regimen.

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Affording to live in NYC is a problem, no doubt, but living in NYC is great and training there is excellent in many ways, because you have at least four fantastic hilly parks to train and race in (Central Park, Van Cortland, Prospect, Forest Hills, then you can go on weekend runs sometimes up at Rockefeller on carriage trails), a handful of tracks that are actually open to the public, which you can't say about a lot of places, plenty of people to run with and do workouts with, no worries about access to water and bathrooms, three huge airports+rail, and great xc, track, and road racing series right there.

you forgot to add the air quality, breathe in the fumes!!

Yeah, to comfortably live in Manhattan or Brooklyn (or Queens), you need a lot more than $60K. If you’re a b-ish level elite, your long-term prospects of making money from running aren’t amazing, and so maybe you’ll want to save some of that money, instead of blowing it all on rent for a tiny studio in East Harlem. The whole appeal of NYC is career (law, finance, media, health care) and culture. For a normal hobby jogger, NYC isn’t bad at all (parks, waterfront, industrial areas, etc) and lots of good races. But life in NYC can also be endless hassles and more expensive in many ways. A really suboptimal place to base a pro running group.

Frank Marshall Davis wrote:

The website lists Jon Green (Molly Seidel's coach) as the team's coach. The team also has a COO and a Board of Directors.

https://www.atalantanyc.org/team#Coaches

So a club that says it is all about empowering women has a male coach and a male COO.

theres nothing worse in this world than a new training group.

can you imagine the audacity of creating one where you live even?

its so selfish of mary to use her platform and the countrys largest city to court big name sponsors into the world of running where they clearly dont belong.

we need to save the sport from opportunities, visibility, and for gods sake, trying anything!

Right wingers: we need to preserve the intellectual legacy of the west! Stop teaching all this identity stuff and teach like the good old days!

Also right wingers: expecting people to know about common stories from Greek mythology is woke and ridiculous!

Honestly, the hostility on this site to actually reading and learning things is alarming. No wonder so many of you just repeat talking points all day.

nahbrahs wrote:

MeToo! wrote:

Jon Green must love getting abused as a man by the two most woke women in running in their women only running club.

What?

Que?

nahbrahs wrote:

nahbrahs wrote:

What?

Que?

Mary Cain and Allyson Felix. Both in the past have blamed men for being the source of all their problems and have made it their identity. Don't know why any self-respecting man would want to join their women only running group with such a hostile attitude towards men.

Don’t worry, women don’t want you around them so it won’t be a problem for you. And normal men who are comfortable in their manhood aren’t triggered by women talking.

Honestly, for years this board was full of raging against Alberto. People constantly talked about Rupp certified courses, drug use, fixed races etc. Nobody was more hated. But then some women said that yes, Salazar was abusive, and since there’s nothing men hate on this board more than women now Salazar is their hero and all the women are crazy b——s.

MeToo! wrote:

nahbrahs wrote:

Que?

Mary Cain and Allyson Felix. Both in the past have blamed men for being the source of all their problems and have made it their identity. Don't know why any self-respecting man would want to join their women only running group with such a hostile attitude towards men.

As I suspected - you’re a loony.

yawnjawn wrote:

Right wingers: we need to preserve the intellectual legacy of the west! Stop teaching all this identity stuff and teach like the good old days!

Also right wingers: expecting people to know about common stories from Greek mythology is woke and ridiculous!

Honestly, the hostility on this site to actually reading and learning things is alarming. No wonder so many of you just repeat talking points all day.

Wow, you sound insecure.

Atalanta isn't a good name. Sorry, it just isn't.

yawnjawn wrote:

Don’t worry, women don’t want you around them so it won’t be a problem for you. And normal men who are comfortable in their manhood aren’t triggered by women talking.

Honestly, for years this board was full of raging against Alberto. People constantly talked about Rupp certified courses, drug use, fixed races etc. Nobody was more hated. But then some women said that yes, Salazar was abusive, and since there’s nothing men hate on this board more than women now Salazar is their hero and all the women are crazy b——s.

Alberto has become a martyr instead of your punching bag precisely because of people like Cain and Felix blaming men for everything. I, too, remember when threads on LRC about Salazar were mostly against him but because of over the top comments and persecution of Salazar by people that like to blame men, the tide reversed. Not quite the effect you were aiming for, eh?

nahbrahs wrote:

MeToo! wrote:

Mary Cain and Allyson Felix. Both in the past have blamed men for being the source of all their problems and have made it their identity. Don't know why any self-respecting man would want to join their women only running group with such a hostile attitude towards men.

As I suspected - you’re a loony.

Is not everything I wrote true? Why do you think no one is joining their group?

It’s a good name not only because it references a commonly known myth about running that is part of most people’s basic education, but also because since Nike is the winged goddess of victory, it’s choosing another female mythological figure to set up a group for women by women who had bad experiences at Nike. It’s quite a clever and subtle shade.

Unlike you, I don’t get hysterical hate vapours at runners or their coaches, so sorry bro. I wasn’t the one spending all my time screaming about Salazar and yet now starting endless threads about Cain because women with opinions threaten me. Funny how you just continue to project things onto women though, like one woman said something once so all women must be engaged in some anti-man conspiracy. I wasn’t posting about Alberto and I’m not the one crying about Kara/Mary/Allison/Molly/my mom now.

yawnjawn wrote:

It’s a good name not only because it references a commonly known myth about running that is part of most people’s basic education, but also because since Nike is the winged goddess of victory, it’s choosing another female mythological figure to set up a group for women by women who had bad experiences at Nike. It’s quite a clever and subtle shade.

Sorry, it doesn't matter how clever it is, it's a bad name because it sounds like Atlanta. All that cleverness hasn't attracted any runners.

You sound like the kind of person who ends up booking a plane to, like, London, Ontario instead of London, England because “they sound the same.” Life must be hard when reading and words confuse you!