ICU providers, how are your units looking? Total COVID & Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated.

Editing my previous post...

You're missing the point...He's not saying that they would be at 13%, he's saying that the ICUs are full. There's an upper limit. If the ICUs weren't full of COVID patients, they'd be full of other patients requiring critical care. Those patients are currently receiving a lower level of care because the ICU beds aren't available.

I looked at MassGeneral’s bed situation today at it makes no sense. They have twice as many occupied beds today as in the earliest days of the pandemic when MA got hit pretty hard and people were dying in comparatively huge numbers.

I just don’t see how this is possible unless they are admitting people with far less severe cases. Since a hospitals basic profit motive is to keep beds filled, I assume this is the case.

The way I interpreted his statement is that they have 76 ICU beds and are at full capacity. That 66 of those 76 beds are occupied by COVID patients (87%, or more than 4 times the national average of 20%) and that 3 of those 66 COVID patients (or 4.5%) are vaccinated, while the remainder are unvaccinated. Additionally that implies that 10 of the 76 beds represents what the typical utilization of the ICU would be.

3x vaxxed guyy wrote:

I looked at MassGeneral’s bed situation today at it makes no sense. They have twice as many occupied beds today as in the earliest days of the pandemic when MA got hit pretty hard and people were dying in comparatively huge numbers.

I just don’t see how this is possible unless they are admitting people with far less severe cases. Since a hospitals basic profit motive is to keep beds filled, I assume this is the case.

85% occupancy is the point of peak profitability for a hospital, and there are financial incentives to admit COVID patients, put them in ICU and ventilate them. Another factor is that when voluntary services were curtailed for months early in the pandemic, it increased wait times and created a backlog for care that never went away. My wife went from about a 1-month backlog of patients pre-pandemic to a 4-month backlog post pandemic because of shutdowns and occupancy restrictions early in the pandemic. If they start shutting things down again (like some places already have been doing), it will only worsen the problem. It doesn't take long for voluntary treatments to become emergent.

joed|rt wrote:

EpiRunner wrote:

You're missing the point...He's not saying they he ICUs are full. There's an upper limit. If the ICUs weren't full of COVID patients, they'd be full of other patients requiring critical care. Those patients are currently receiving a lower level of care because the ICU beds aren't available.

The way I interpreted his statement is that they have 76 ICU beds and are at full capacity. That 66 of those 76 beds are occupied by COVID patients (87%, or more than 4 times the national average of 20%) and that 3 of those 66 COVID patients (or 4.5%) are vaccinated, while the remainder are unvaccinated. Additionally that implies that 10 of the 76 beds represents what the typical utilization of the ICU would be.

I believe you misinterpreted. There are likely 60 or so patients elsewhere in the hospital that should be in the ICU.

That's how it is for us. We canceled elective surgeries to make room for those patients on regular med/surg units.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Any actual argument to make?

Or refute?

I'm fine with idiots calling me an idiot. If it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside, so be it. I preferably listen to opinions that are actually credible though.

Neither are making an argument. They, and others, never do. They just use Burden of Proof as a logical fallacy to sidetrack legitimate conversation. They drag everyone down into the muck, so that a simple post becomes a 13 page thread of them repeating the same fallacy over and over.

I'll give it a try. More police officers have died in 2021 from Covid than from violence in the line of duty. Yet, still many officers refuse to get the vaccine. Care to answer that?

I'll save you some trouble. My reply will be, "You didn't answer my question." Until this thread fades away. Then I'll come up with a similar point on the next thread.

GWT wrote:

I just listened to a doctor on NPR who said that based on the statistics that we have so far, you're 20 times more likely to die of Covid if you're unvaxed and not boosted, than if you are.

It's crazy that people are still arguing about this stuff.

Hahahahaha,. Doctor on NPR. Hahahhaha. Its like asking a killer holding a blood stained knife whether or not he just killed his wife who had multiple stab wounds and after him saying "no way wouldnt do that", you just say "ok perfect, thank you", turn around and go home satisfied.

3x vaxxed guyy wrote:

I looked at MassGeneral’s bed situation today at it makes no sense. They have twice as many occupied beds today as in the earliest days of the pandemic when MA got hit pretty hard and people were dying in comparatively huge numbers.

I just don’t see how this is possible unless they are admitting people with far less severe cases. Since a hospitals basic profit motive is to keep beds filled, I assume this is the case.

Not an expert in this at all…could one explanation be that better treatment options and vaccines have made it so people are spending a longer time in the ICU, vs just dying right away?

Steve, unless you work in healthcare STFU. You are the one with the agenda.

Which hospital?

Do you work in an ICU? That’s the thread here.

I refuse to be complicit in the degradation of society.

PICU here.

1 Covid positive case, but he’s a trach vent kid and really only here for precautionary reasons.

Only other Covid positive kid I’ve seen over the past 2 months is a kid who also has ALL.

xbcnxnc wrote:

3x vaxxed guyy wrote:

I looked at MassGeneral’s bed situation today at it makes no sense. They have twice as many occupied beds today as in the earliest days of the pandemic when MA got hit pretty hard and people were dying in comparatively huge numbers.

I just don’t see how this is possible unless they are admitting people with far less severe cases. Since a hospitals basic profit motive is to keep beds filled, I assume this is the case.

Not an expert in this at all…could one explanation be that better treatment options and vaccines have made it so people are spending a longer time in the ICU, vs just dying right away?

Yes.

That was also a big part of the huge number of hospitalizations last winter as well. Techniques like proning allow hypoxemic patients to avoid or delay intubation, which is great....but they still have to be in the ICU.

iowakidscanrun wrote:

Which hospital?

The biggest, most best hospital in the country, in the world I've been told, and I'll tell you, I'll ask anyone and they all agree: they, all of them, agree that it's the best hospital for this horrible, very bad disease - this disease that everyone says "oh! it's gotten out of control" these people are crazy, unbelievable - but we have it 110% in control at our great hospital, and it's a beautiful - they're jealous that it's so beautiful - but they're all trying to copy us, thank you.

EpiRunner wrote:

xbcnxnc wrote:

Not an expert in this at all…could one explanation be that better treatment options and vaccines have made it so people are spending a longer time in the ICU, vs just dying right away?

Yes.

That was also a big part of the huge number of hospitalizations last winter as well. Techniques like proning allow hypoxemic patients to avoid or delay intubation, which is great....but they still have to be in the ICU.

Do you have any information on how the length of hospital stays has changed over time?

I work in a hospital. This week, we started getting the stats on this again after a 6 week or so break from it:

As of today

29 admitted: 25/29 unvaccinated

9 in ICU: all unvaccinated

I don't get the ECMO stats