Does performing the 3-minute all-out CV test pretty regularly chip away at the aerobic base?

ya better watch out wrote:

I understand the physiology better than you.

Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll.

overthinking wrote:

ya better watch out wrote:

I understand the physiology better than you.

Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll.

I was thinking the same as you. None of your posts make any sense. Try posting something intelligible.

Is that too much to ask?

ya better watch out wrote:

overthinking wrote:

Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll.

I was thinking the same as you. None of your posts make any sense. Try posting something intelligible.

Is that too much to ask?

Still waiting on that paper when you get a chance!

forcerunner wrote:

ya better watch out wrote:

I was thinking the same as you. None of your posts make any sense. Try posting something intelligible.

Is that too much to ask?

Still waiting on that paper when you get a chance!

Sorry for the delay. I may have been paraphrasing Andrew Coggan who was (supposedly?) paraphrasing Jones et al incorrectly as is his wont.

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Of course there is no such metabolic state at which "100% of energy derived aerobically".

ya better watch out wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

It seems like an over complicated attempt to be scientific when a little bit of common sense would deliver better results. But the OP doesn’t care about that. OK, jack off less, and see if that leads to a faster CV pace in your 3:00 test. :-)

I think the OP is inexperienced and trying to overcompenstate with dubious science.

And what the heck is Critical Velocity supposed to mean anyway?

Every intensity has its place in the training spectrum.

There are no great undiscovered training secrets.

Pretty much spot on. CV is just short tempo. Bottom line train hard doing reasonable workouts and you will improve.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Pretty much spot on. CV is just short tempo. Bottom line train hard doing reasonable workouts and you will improve.

I'm not doing this test to improve, I'm doing it to assess my improvement. That seems like a key distinction you're missing: you keep prescribing me workouts that you think will "do the same thing".

No offense intended, but you seem to fear competition and are using this nebulous metric to satisfy that box.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

No offense intended, but you seem to fear competition and are using this nebulous metric to satisfy that box.

You just seem antagonistic - you and your sock puppet "you better watch out" can do 5x1000 if you'd like.

Make sure you wear a mask 😷

overthinking wrote:

you just go as hard as you can at each moment, and in theory towards the end of the test you've eaten up your W' and you are running at CV.

Regardless of the other debate(s) going on in this thread, I think I'm just missing something here. I think I don't understand your test and what it'd indicate. How is anyone even doing anything like reasonable running after 3 minutes?

We've all seen 400m races (especially 4x4 legs) where someone goes out too fast. That's pretty close to your "go as hard as you can at each moment" description. It often ends up with the runner staggering to the finish with that huge bear on their back. That's less than a minute in to the "hard as you can" which is supposed to continue for another more than 2 minutes. What's supposed to happen after that point?

I can't imagine that whatever barely standing stumble that'd be produced from 2:30-3:00 would be anything like a useful training pace or indicative of any threshold. Can you describe whatever it is here that I'm missing?

I use a similar approach to training, but to my knowledge it is not maximum effort from the gun which would surely lead to an implosion. Rather, it is the best possible effort over the course of three minutes. So you're trying to average the highest possible velocity you can maintain for the ENTIRE three minutes. Essentially just a 3min time trial.

Once you have this, you combine it with another one, two, or three test efforts across other durations to find your CP/CV. That CP/CV then informs training and race prescriptions based on your ability to output efforts across multiple durations.

I think circling back to the original point OP was asking about. Doing these test efforts occasionally will not erode your aerobic ability and should inform training to a more personalized level so you can target the proper CP/CV stimulus during training. One should not test super frequently, rather, test and train then test after a few weeks of that new targeted training stimulus.

overthinking wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Pretty much spot on. CV is just short tempo. Bottom line train hard doing reasonable workouts and you will improve.

I'm not doing this test to improve, I'm doing it to assess my improvement. That seems like a key distinction you're missing: you keep prescribing me workouts that you think will "do the same thing".

So think you know better than posters with decades of experience?

Dont do it. It will destroy your nidichlorians.