Jakob Ingebrigtsen is overrated, guy woudn't even win NCAAs

Imagine the carnage in the European XC if Bekele decided he didn't want to be Turkish or Spanish instead of Ethiophian. He would be literally laughing his way around the course

Not a single guy from outside Africa will beat Jakob for the next 10 years. From 1500-half marathon

I will take bets on that.

Wise Old Man wrote:

alphazonly wrote:

Guy wouldn’t even win ncaa’s. But wins some cross country race across the water and is all of a sudden all over running media. Looks like my desk in middle school by the end of school year with all that crap drawn on his arms and legs. Get over the guy already

It’s clear that next year American distance running finally breaks through without the help of naturalized citizens.

In 2022 we should expect to see:

Mantz defeating Kipchoge in a marathon major

And in Eugene…..

Fisher* over Barega in the 10K (*born in Canada, but close enough)

Teare defeats Chep in the 5K

Hocker defeats JI in the 1500

Good one!

Seriously though, the only American man likely to win in Eugene in events from 800m to the marathon is Brazier in the 800, if he's healthy.

There's no limit on what Cole Hocker can run in the 1500m. But you don't make predictions based on speculative potential. He ran 3:31 this year, which was awesome. If he runs 3:30 next year, that would put him among the best Americans ever. To run 3:29 would bring him into the top 3 of Americans, with Maree, a South African except for a few years as a naturalized American so he could compete during the Apartheid exclusion of South African athletes from international competition, and Lagat, who at the time of his 3:27 was still a Kenyan citizen. To run 3:27, while of course possible, next year, is not likely. We hope it happens. It would be fantastic to see an American at the top of the world. But a sounder prediction would put him at 3:29, and that in itself would be a fantastic result.

zxcvzxcvx wrote:

There's no limit on what Cole Hocker can run in the 1500m. But you don't make predictions based on speculative potential. He ran 3:31 this year, which was awesome. If he runs 3:30 next year, that would put him among the best Americans ever. To run 3:29 would bring him into the top 3 of Americans, with Maree, a South African except for a few years as a naturalized American so he could compete during the Apartheid exclusion of South African athletes from international competition, and Lagat, who at the time of his 3:27 was still a Kenyan citizen. To run 3:27, while of course possible, next year, is not likely. We hope it happens. It would be fantastic to see an American at the top of the world. But a sounder prediction would put him at 3:29, and that in itself would be a fantastic result.

Who’s first to a global medal, Hocker or Fisher? If Chelimo can pull it off, why can’t Fisher? Fisher’s 10K in Tokyo was every bit as impressive as Hocker’s in the 1500, probably more so. Grant Fisher, not Mantz or Hocker or Colin Sahlman:-) is the true future of US men’s distance running.

Master of Lolly wrote:

Hocker will never beat Ingebrigtsen, because Jakob is about to move up to 5k and retire right before Hocker reaches his prime.

Also Hocker needs to figure out how to beat Josh Kerr first, since Kerr is both faster at even pace and also in sit and kick kind of race.

Ingebritson will be still in his prime in 2028 so he will go for the trifecta in the 1500m. If he pulls it off, no other 1500m runner, past or future, will be worthy.

Run6556 wrote:

0/10.

3/10

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Master of Lolly wrote:

Hocker will never beat Ingebrigtsen, because Jakob is about to move up to 5k and retire right before Hocker reaches his prime.

Also Hocker needs to figure out how to beat Josh Kerr first, since Kerr is both faster at even pace and also in sit and kick kind of race.

Ingebritson will be still in his prime in 2028 so he will go for the trifecta in the 1500m. If he pulls it off, no other 1500m runner, past or future, will be worthy.

In 2028 he will be 3 years retired, with 2 children. 15 years of professional training is enough and he did start with 7.

I already doubt that he will still be active and go for gold over 5000m in Paris 2024.

Got a pretty good feel for it, as I already predicted Jakobs gold, Kerrs medal, Centro crapping out and Hocker being the best American in Tokyo. And also Kessler not making it to the olympics.

Even the world's best have a bad day. Haile, Bekele are two great examples. Multiple Olympic Golds and world records and both have had races that they've had to pull out of, or performed sub-par. Haile much less than Bekele, but saying he wont have one bad race in 10 years is a bold statement

Master of LolIy wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Ingebritson will be still in his prime in 2028 so he will go for the trifecta in the 1500m. If he pulls it off, no other 1500m runner, past or future, will be worthy.

In 2028 he will be 3 years retired, with 2 children. 15 years of professional training is enough and he did start with 7.

I already doubt that he will still be active and go for gold over 5000m in Paris 2024.

Got a pretty good feel for it, as I already predicted Jakobs gold, Kerrs medal, Centro crapping out and Hocker being the best American in Tokyo. And also Kessler not making it to the olympics.

I'm pretty certain his Nike contract has him geared for another Olympic cycle.

I actually don't take for granted that Jakob would have won NCAA XC. I don't think a miler has won for as long as I've been following -- German Fernandez got top 10 IIRC the same year he won outdoor NCAA 1500 (but he also set the U20 5K record later that summer). I hypothesize that the NCAA XC race is more competitive than the European champs.

Having said that, his 12:48 5K suggests that he could probably do a 1500/5K double at both indoors and outdoors and win handily.

The OP did a fantastic job of showing how dumb the human race is. Clearly this is a troll job. The fact this has so many people responding seriously is mind blowing. Probably the same people that think masks do something to stop covid

alphazonly wrote:

Guy wouldn’t even win ncaa’s. But wins some cross country race across the water and is all of a sudden all over running media. Looks like my desk in middle school by the end of school year with all that crap drawn on his arms and legs. Get over the guy already

overrated...heck no

GreatDane01 wrote:

I remember leading up to the Olympics so many posters on here were saying Cole Hocker would only ever be a 3:35 guy at best and wouldn't make it past the heats. He's now a 3:31 guy and placed 6th in his first Olympics. He keeps proving the naysayers wrong.

Jakob Ingebrigtsen placed 1st in his first Olympics, so there's that.

zxcvzxcvx wrote:

There's no limit on what Cole Hocker can run in the 1500m. But you don't make predictions based on speculative potential. He ran 3:31 this year, which was awesome. If he runs 3:30 next year, that would put him among the best Americans ever. To run 3:29 would bring him into the top 3 of Americans, with Maree, a South African except for a few years as a naturalized American so he could compete during the Apartheid exclusion of South African athletes from international competition, and Lagat, who at the time of his 3:27 was still a Kenyan citizen. To run 3:27, while of course possible, next year, is not likely. We hope it happens. It would be fantastic to see an American at the top of the world. But a sounder prediction would put him at 3:29, and that in itself would be a fantastic result.

To be fair, when Bernard Lagat came to the U.S. at age 19, his 1500 PR was 3:42, which is outstanding for a Junior athlete, but it dose not suggest he was going to develop in the way he did. The story is pretty much the same for Sydney Maree. I think Washington State and Villanova played a critical role in the development of these young athletes.

Euro XC :

Mike foppen, 7:39/13:13 runner, 20th

Jake Eliam Smith 1:00:30 HM, 32nd

Adel Mechaal 5th in the Olympic final, 3:30/7:35, 16th

Narve Giljes Nordas, 13:16, 26th

Mehdi Frère, 2:08 marathon runner, 35th

Carlos Mayo, 27:25 and 1:00:06 HM, 11th

Isaac Kimeli, 27:22, 9th

Abdessamad Oukhelfen, 13:17, 12th

Tom Erling Karbo, 8:26 steeplechase, 52nd

Raess Jonas, 13:15, 17th

Andrew Butchart 7:35/13:06, 23rd

MEZNGI Zerei Kbrom 27:39/1:00:07, 26th

Samuel Fitwi, 1:01 HM, 19th

They almost all have better pr than Conner Mantz.

Only one of them made the top 10 and that's Isaac Kimeli.

Jakob beat Isaac and all these guys while literally jogging and messing around (there are videos of him hiding his head behind Kaya's during the race just to be funny)

zxcvzxcvx wrote:

There's no limit on what Cole Hocker can run in the 1500m. But you don't make predictions based on speculative potential. He ran 3:31 this year, which was awesome. If he runs 3:30 next year, that would put him among the best Americans ever. To run 3:29 would bring him into the top 3 of Americans

then there probably is a limit, and that limit is probably 3:30.

Certainly he is never going to hit 3:27. Not likely to steal a medal from Jakob.

Neither of them is likely to outlast the kid--phenom curse until 2024 anyhow. A kid phenom has a 2 year peak, typically, and is in decline by age 20 or so.

No point in reading any reply to this troll…this has to be one of the weakest topics ever!!

Peach Pit wrote:

alphazonly wrote:

Cole Hocker would’ve beaten him last summer if he wasn’t coming off of winning ncaas. Hocker had a much harder season having to peak for nationals then turn around for the trials and then the games. Hocker beats Jacob 9 Times out of 1 any distance

So true! Jakob ran 3:31 indoor and only took it down to 3:28 (hardly beating his old PR) by the end of the season. Hocker went into the Olympics a 3:35 guy and left a 3:31 guy. He absolutely would've run 3:27 or better in the Olympics if he hadn't had to peak for indoor NCAAs, outdoor NCAAs, trials, and the Olympics.

Coulda shoulda woulda didn't

I love the way CH races, but he is not at JI 's level yet.