When you guys apologize for being wrong everyday I think the OP will be forced to apologize. I mean cmon you two will post something profoundly wrong in the next two days I guarantee it. Prove me wrong :P
When you guys apologize for being wrong everyday I think the OP will be forced to apologize. I mean cmon you two will post something profoundly wrong in the next two days I guarantee it. Prove me wrong :P
Manx also some stanky leg. He pretty popular rn tho.
mantztime wrote:
Manx also some stanky leg. He pretty popular rn tho.
You have some stanky Engy. And it’s not popular.
You ever watch Eilish McColgan (14.28) run?
Lets analyze. wrote:
Cook has run with that form forever, its a non-factor, its already baked into her results.
She wins because she is an overaged SR (she should be a college freshman by age) who, to my understanding, has been coached by the same coach (her Dad) since before middle school, consistency and years and years of racing experience being the key.
Cook competeted in youth track including Junior olympics prior to HS while traveling the country scoring good results, finding key high profile fast meets for years, even through HS, and has built racing acumen. In Texas UIL HS XC, she has been very good and very consistent over the years finishing 5th as Freshman, 5th as a Sophmore, and 7th as a Junior in the UIL State 6A XC meet. In track similar consistent good solid results, she got two 6A UIL state medals in 2019 finishing 2nd in the 3200m and 3rd in the 1600m and last season, just 6 months ago, finished 4th in 3200m at the UIL 6A state meet.
She wins today because she obviously has lots of miles under her legs, lots of racing experience and has now flipped a switch and figured out how to turn quality runs that may have been close losses into big wins with totally dominating performances. Improving week to week this season, she finally won the Texas State UIL 6A XC meet in near record time but more impressively a massive near 1 minute margin of victory over the 2019 6A State champ she previously lost to. But then the really big performance improvements came. She ran the fastest time ever at the Kinney/Footlocker/Eastbay South Regional (considering the 2015 course change), significantly faster than runners like Jenny Simpson, Weini Kelati, and Jenna Hutchins ever ran at that same course. And she did that despite her crazy form, like I said the form is baked into the results. When you have so much experience, more than most all HS runners, and then make a big step jump in performance I think you have things figured out, you know how to race, how to take risks, when to make moves and punish opponents. The runninglane time agrees with this. Cook has the massive experience edge and wont be beat today.
Is her over experience why higher ranking schools didn't make a convincing enough offer? She is going to OK State. Isn't NC state the school to be for the fastest girl in the country or Stanford, Oregon, etc.?
Interesting how the human thought process works. I'll admit, after watching video of Cook run, her knock-knees are noticeable. Oftentimes, when an athlete is really successful while having something noticeably different about them - really tall, really short, really skinny, really vegan, etc. - it seems like we try to attribute their success to their distinguishing characteristic. I remember when Usain Bolt came on the scene, everybody seemed convinced that that his ability made total sense - he was like a regular world-class sprinter, except scaled-up, so of course he was faster. I'm just wondering why, right after seeing Connor Mantz win NCAAs for the second time, and seeing Natalie Cook running really well and winning a major title, someone would take the exact opposite approach and conclude that Cook was clearly going to fail at Balboa Park? Wouldn't that be like, if another tall sprinter came on the world scene, declaring that he/she was too tall and would never make it at the top level?
Moo G wrote:
Lets analyze. wrote:
Cook has run with that form forever, its a non-factor, its already baked into her results.
She wins because she is an overaged SR (she should be a college freshman by age) who, to my understanding, has been coached by the same coach (her Dad) since before middle school, consistency and years and years of racing experience being the key.
Cook competeted in youth track including Junior olympics prior to HS while traveling the country scoring good results, finding key high profile fast meets for years, even through HS, and has built racing acumen. In Texas UIL HS XC, she has been very good and very consistent over the years finishing 5th as Freshman, 5th as a Sophmore, and 7th as a Junior in the UIL State 6A XC meet. In track similar consistent good solid results, she got two 6A UIL state medals in 2019 finishing 2nd in the 3200m and 3rd in the 1600m and last season, just 6 months ago, finished 4th in 3200m at the UIL 6A state meet.
She wins today because she obviously has lots of miles under her legs, lots of racing experience and has now flipped a switch and figured out how to turn quality runs that may have been close losses into big wins with totally dominating performances. Improving week to week this season, she finally won the Texas State UIL 6A XC meet in near record time but more impressively a massive near 1 minute margin of victory over the 2019 6A State champ she previously lost to. But then the really big performance improvements came. She ran the fastest time ever at the Kinney/Footlocker/Eastbay South Regional (considering the 2015 course change), significantly faster than runners like Jenny Simpson, Weini Kelati, and Jenna Hutchins ever ran at that same course. And she did that despite her crazy form, like I said the form is baked into the results. When you have so much experience, more than most all HS runners, and then make a big step jump in performance I think you have things figured out, you know how to race, how to take risks, when to make moves and punish opponents. The runninglane time agrees with this. Cook has the massive experience edge and wont be beat today.
Is her over experience why higher ranking schools didn't make a convincing enough offer? She is going to OK State. Isn't NC state the school to be for the fastest girl in the country or Stanford, Oregon, etc.?
She is going to fail at OK State. Dave Smith doesn't know how to progress the athletes that come to him.
She is going to come in, and Dave will expect +70 mile/weeks right away.
Moo G wrote:
Lets analyze. wrote:
Cook has run with that form forever, its a non-factor, its already baked into her results.
She wins because she is an overaged SR (she should be a college freshman by age) who, to my understanding, has been coached by the same coach (her Dad) since before middle school, consistency and years and years of racing experience being the key.
Cook competeted in youth track including Junior olympics prior to HS while traveling the country scoring good results, finding key high profile fast meets for years, even through HS, and has built racing acumen. In Texas UIL HS XC, she has been very good and very consistent over the years finishing 5th as Freshman, 5th as a Sophmore, and 7th as a Junior in the UIL State 6A XC meet. In track similar consistent good solid results, she got two 6A UIL state medals in 2019 finishing 2nd in the 3200m and 3rd in the 1600m and last season, just 6 months ago, finished 4th in 3200m at the UIL 6A state meet.
She wins today because she obviously has lots of miles under her legs, lots of racing experience and has now flipped a switch and figured out how to turn quality runs that may have been close losses into big wins with totally dominating performances. Improving week to week this season, she finally won the Texas State UIL 6A XC meet in near record time but more impressively a massive near 1 minute margin of victory over the 2019 6A State champ she previously lost to. But then the really big performance improvements came. She ran the fastest time ever at the Kinney/Footlocker/Eastbay South Regional (considering the 2015 course change), significantly faster than runners like Jenny Simpson, Weini Kelati, and Jenna Hutchins ever ran at that same course. And she did that despite her crazy form, like I said the form is baked into the results. When you have so much experience, more than most all HS runners, and then make a big step jump in performance I think you have things figured out, you know how to race, how to take risks, when to make moves and punish opponents. The runninglane time agrees with this. Cook has the massive experience edge and wont be beat today.
Is her over experience why higher ranking schools didn't make a convincing enough offer? She is going to OK State. Isn't NC state the school to be for the fastest girl in the country or Stanford, Oregon, etc.?
She is going to fail at OK State. Dave Smith doesn't know how to progress the athletes that come to him.
She is going to come in, and Dave will expect +70 mile/weeks right away.
Someone mentioned Delaware. They switch off courses and the other two are easier. And you cant use a drone to film the XC races when Biden is in town. No fly zone over all of Northern Delaware.
yeah this didn’t age well
Wow was this bad. This girl is 2 time national champ and will be many more times in the NCAA.
nahhhh wrote:
Great post. To add to this point, there are a ton of sprinters with better form than bolt but guess who holds the wr? Over long distances, form matters even less. sprinters that have perfect running form and would get destroyed by a good number of stroller moms in a 5k. Let's focus on what actually matters instead of talking form all day.
Actually there isn't.
And I mean if they all weighed 180 pounds, you'd not add up to a ton.
And know, I couldn't beat Bolt, but I would have zero trouble beating those stroller mums you reference.
Bolt's form is excellent for his size .
And his times are pretty good too.
Schweizer is an American record holder. She usually has the worst form in every race that she competes in.
Moo G wrote:
Is her over experience why higher ranking schools didn't make a convincing enough offer? She is going to OK State. Isn't NC state the school to be for the fastest girl in the country or Stanford, Oregon, etc.?
Well how much money does NC State have? That might be a sticking point. Oregon? You are going to suggest a girl would want to go to Oregon considering all the bad press about how they treat their women in the last few months? And as for Stanford, I don't know what kind of student she is, but Stanford is very selective (I knew a girl that was recruited to play Volleyball at Stanford...during the years they were National Champions. She was a Valedictorian. She got wait-listed. Even the National Champion Volleyball coach couldn't pull strings to get her in. She eventually did get in from the wait-list, but it seems only football players get to sneak into Stanford with sub-par academics).
Or maybe she just liked coach Smith better than other coaches trying to sell her?
There are lots of reasons to choose a school. Not just being on the best team.
OK State is a 3.5 hour drive for her Dad. Family means more to some people than other things.
She might have what you call poor biomechanics but she’s a beast and kicked everyone’s ass again!!!
Proved you guys wrong!!!
Colin6_9_ wrote:
This not so bold prediction is not based off of having last week's race in her legs, but instead of her poor biomechanics. You can get away with her horrendous knee caving and lower leg inefficiencies on flat courses like they have in Texas and at Runninglane, but good biomechanics are needed to be able to run up and especially down that big hill quickly that they do twice at Eastbay. I just don't see how someone like Peters or Perez won't run away with it due to Cook's stride. She almost fell a few times running down the finish of Runninglane, how is she not going to eat if trying to fly down the hill at Eastbay? Has anyone else thought about this? Also, if you don't believe me, go back and check the finish of Runninglane on Youtube and you'll instantly see what I'm talking about.
I'm curious if you have any predictions about the stock market?