President Biden boycotts Beijing 2022 for Xinjiang Uygur Genocide worst since Europe Genocide 1200AD

hydrochloroquine wrote:

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s

The allegations against China related to the Uyghur detention camps have nothing to do with democrats, racism, ect. Religious groups have been raising alarm about this situation for some time with intermittent tepid support from politicians in the West. A quick or deep dive into this story for anyone interested is worthwhile and you can find credible sources to support the allegations.

China is doing to Muslims in their country what Muslims are doing to Christians in nearly every Islamic country.

Doesn't make it right, of course. But it's nice to have an understanding of reality.

May 2014 Urumqi Attack - 43 dead, 90+ injured, bombs thrown from SUVs waving Uyghur-language flags while running over civilians in a marketplace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack

April 2014 Urumqi Attack - 3 dead, 79 injured, claimed by the Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP), a Uyghur terrorist organization recognized as such by the UN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack

1997 Urumqi bus bombings - 9 dead including 3 children, 28 injured, perpetrated by Uyghur separatists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_bus_bombings

2014 Kunming Attack - 31 dead, 140+ injured by knife, perpetrated by radicalized Uyghurs who were on their way to participate in jihad abroad but were denied at the border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

2011 Hotan Attack - 18 dead, claimed by East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), later rebranded to TIP and still recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack

2011 Kashgar Attacks - 23 dead, 42 injured, attackers confessed to jihadist motives and membership in ETIM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks

There are way more incidents besides these, but you get the point. How did you not know ANY of this? You come off as either extremely gullible or comically uninformed. Are you still looking for WMDs in Iraq, buddy? It's clearly a heavy handed anti-terrorism/extremism effort.

The Hui Muslims are just fine, and religious and ethnic minorities in China were exempt from the one-child (now two-child) policy for the entirety of its existence; minorities even get big affirmative action points on the 'gaokao,' their be-all-end-all university entrance exam. China isn't even targeting all Uyghurs for their "vocational training centers." There are 11 million+ Uyghurs in Xinjiang and even the most academically bankrupt estimates have the number at a million (they interviewed EIGHT Uyghurs from a single prefecture to come up with that guess by extrapolating over the entire population). Who do you think you're fooling? Wait, I know: Other gullible people like you.

Thank you for the highly touted Wikipedia resources. I have no dog in this fight but propaganda goes both ways.

greg kirby wrote:

minorities even get big affirmative action points on the 'gaokao,'

"Singer wrote that the policies are meant to encourage assimilation instead of empowering minority blocs and "The idea is to give the minorities just enough power, education or economic success to keep them quiet.""

"The Chinese government has been scaling back on affirmative action since 2019."

"China's ethnic groups face end to affirmative action in education, taxes".

How do u pronounce Uygur

How ya doin', WuMao? Spend yer fiddy cents wisely.

Charles Bukowski wrote:

hydrochloroquine wrote:

The allegations against China related to the Uyghur detention camps have nothing to do with democrats, racism, ect. Religious groups have been raising alarm about this situation for some time with intermittent tepid support from politicians in the West. A quick or deep dive into this story for anyone interested is worthwhile and you can find credible sources to support the allegations.

China is doing to Muslims in their country what Muslims are doing to Christians in nearly every Islamic country.

Doesn't make it right, of course. But it's nice to have an understanding of reality.

1) "credible" is a propagandists substitute for "substantiated" or "confirmed." Evidence lacking in the message? Praise or attack the authority of the messenger. "Credible" is irrelevant to truth.

2) the worst religious atrocities committed against christians in recent history were committed by the rebellion instigated by the racist Democrats.

Is it so hard to understand why being "pro" something is just as racist as being "anti" something? When that war began, Democrats were postured as defenders, saviors of muslims from supposed GOP bigotry. Surprising how quickly that morphed into a pretext to overthrow governments with Islamist insurrections. The guilty, Hillary in particular, should be in prison or hang for their crimes.

Danicmic1 wrote:

Thank you for the highly touted Wikipedia resources. I have no dog in this fight but propaganda goes both ways.

its like the US doesnt try any more with their propaganfa, there's this woman Rushan Abbas a self proclaimed uyghur activist who did an AMA on reddit but was outed as a cia shill almost immediately. thanks to internet wayback machine, her past “creditenials”included working at gitmo, translating for uyghur muslims as they were watwrboarded and has worked with us intelligence agencies / regime change ngos including cia, NED etc....

holy crap china has bought shills on letsrun? unbelievable...

the good news is they can't buy intelligent shills. Even if you were a shill with good english (they've managed to buy a few of those) , every point you make is laughable by anyone with a brain.

China is a country where someone with political power can put a stick up your butt and all you can do is smile. You're probably in a camp right now being forced to type this or get beaten. So sad.

Speak of the devil, China likes to hire shills that speak like right wingers for whatever reason. Love how they cry fake news when literally one person in China decides what the news is there. Like anyone with a brain would believe that's more reliable than freedom of press...

There's a reason why China doesn't let non-Chinese travel to Tibet (for portions of the year) or Xinjiang.

When her husband gets sent to a camp for having a beard you get a friendly Han Chinese "educator" to "share a bed and teach family values" to the wife.

believe it or not some of us don't require coercion or compensation to "shill" for china. as other posters have pointed out, these supposed genocide stories nearly all lead back to a single source, Adrian Zenz, who is an insane evangelical christian who thinks he's on a mission from god to stop communism or something like that. the "victims of communism memorial foundation" is an absolute joke that counts the unborn children of dead nazis in that ridiculous total. i don't believe a single word any of these people say, and i'm typing this completely of my own free will from my living room in the upper midwest.

facts and reason wrote:

greg kirby wrote:

minorities even get big affirmative action points on the 'gaokao,'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China

"Singer wrote that the policies are meant to encourage assimilation instead of empowering minority blocs and "The idea is to give the minorities just enough power, education or economic success to keep them quiet.""

Oh look what I found right after what you copied and pasted:

An article by Nicholas Kristof in The New York Times describes that the affirmative action policy is quite effective. A Western diplomat in Beijing remarked that real effort was put in by the government to bring minorities into high-profile positions, which "has its own value because then they begin to serve as role models [for other minorities to follow]."

It's always the same with dishonest people like you. You weren't even replying to me but rather to other uninformed people in hopes of forming a mob. Are you still looking for WMDs in Iraq, or are you crying crocodile tears for those incubator babies?

Saying Wikipedia isn't credible (it isn't outside of obtaining a general overview) doesn't discredit the body counts. There are some people moderating Wikipedia frothing at the mouth in favor of WW3 with China, and they can't even denounce the fact that a sh*t load of Wahhabi/Salafi terrorist attacks (same sect of Islam that motivated 9/11) happened in Xinjiang. Inform yourselves first before falling for the next WMDs lie. Seriously, you'd think people would have learned by now.

greg kirby wrote:

Saying Wikipedia isn't credible (it isn't outside of obtaining a general overview) doesn't discredit the body counts. There are some people moderating Wikipedia frothing at the mouth in favor of WW3 with China, and they can't even denounce the fact that a sh*t load of Wahhabi/Salafi terrorist attacks (same sect of Islam that motivated 9/11) happened in Xinjiang. Inform yourselves first before falling for the next WMDs lie. Seriously, you'd think people would have learned by now.

What level of terrorist activity justifies mass incarceration, a surveillence state, and massive propaganda campaigns?

Normal stuff. Totally justified. Nothing being hidden:

https://techjournalism.medium.com/open-source-satellite-data-to-investigate-xinjiang-concentration-camps-2713c82173b6