Indianapolis is flat and has had really good weather in recent years. Early November I think.
Indianapolis is flat and has had really good weather in recent years. Early November I think.
cim is aided. wrote:
Yes, but the top 10 qualify for World/Olympic Team, as rightly so being a World Marathon Major.
Are you sure about that, what with nations being limited to 3 per event per gender at Worlds and Olympics?
Aided beyond belief wrote:
Zero respect within the running community. An embarrassment on your resume.
Well, my PR is 2:53, so it’s an embarrassment on this site regardless. The only redeeming aspect is that I only averaged about 40 miles per week with no speed work other than a lot of tempo runs.
I’m trying to beat that mark next year, which is 12 years later and in my 40s. I’m about 30 seconds per mile away based on my current fitness. However, I was closer to 80 seconds per mile off that PR pace about 6 months ago.
Aided beyond belief wrote:
I can’t wait to see the hundreds of runners that will run 2 minutes faster than they will ever run on a legitimate course.
I love subject lines like this because its easy to see how much a sad, hateful troll OP is, and I can just skip every other post here to write how terrible OP is.
I ran my BQ 2:52 on a double out and back mud filled tow path, there were miles you couldnt even get footing. life goes on............
wristbasedhr wrote:
I ran my BQ 2:52 on a double out and back mud filled tow path, there were miles you couldnt even get footing. life goes on............
I ran my PR in 10 feet of snow and it was uphill both ways.
Aided beyond belief wrote:
I can’t wait to see the hundreds of runners that will run 2 minutes faster than they will ever run on a legitimate course.
Tbh, if I run 2 minutes faster than I'll ever run on a legitimate course I'd be pretty okay with that! One can only hope, haha.
Imimpresssed wrote:
brunojackson wrote:
I'm talking about the last 10k. There's no way that that can be construed as rolling hills.
Agree with you on the last part of the course.
The calculator says low 2:59 on a perfectly flat course is worth 3:00:00 at CIM.
I told you to get perspective. Obviously this place is over run with people who have poor reading comprehension. It’s not flat if you’ve ever run on a flat course. It keeps your legs just busy enough. The last 5k is mostly flat. That’s about it.
Actually LA changed the course (again) and now it turns back inland and uphill around 21, eliminating the final downhill miles into Santa Monica, significantly slowing the course. To make it more pathetic their "elite" fields this year were Men, 4 B level Kenyans, Women, 1 Kenyan and and 1 Eastern European gal (maybe Russian?). It was sad.
boulderr bro wrote:
Ho Hum wrote:
You need to get out more if you think that 2:45 is only moderately above average for women (or that people are throwing away Alphaflys after one wear).
It was an obvious troll job. Try to keep up.
Anyway, I've done CIM. I also live in a very flat area. The last 10k of CIM is advertised as flat. It's not. People have a weird idea of what flat is. I recently did the savannah course too. Also considered flat. It's flattish. But not flat. Otherwise CIM was incredibly hilly for me and the last 10k was rolling. You guys need to go some place actually flat to get perspective.
Found a start list at p43 of their event guide
Do I need to return my PB from Grandma's ?
EgoBoosted wrote:
Do I need to return my PB from Grandma's ?
Yes because it's not uphill and against the wind so you aren't a real tough guy.
They actually pay runners who hit the Olympic B-standard $500 ($1500) for the A-standard) if they apply in advance. [/quote]
Grrrrr I hate seeing anyone invest in athletes!!!
This thread is nonsense. CIM is fast but isn't as downhill as others which is why it counts as an OTQ. You also see people flock to this race who are close to the standard, which just makes it faster. Add in usually good weather & pacers & even a little bit of money (the nerve!!) & the conditions are there for fast times. It's hard to solo a sub-2:19 or 2:45. Don't be mad because you haven't raced there.
My question is if a race like CIM can do this, why can't others?
ButActually wrote:
CIM is worse than the rest of them because it's such a manufactured race that whores itself out to fastish sub-elites. They actually pay runners who hit the Olympic B-standard $500 ($1500) for the A-standard) if they apply in advance. The women's B-Standard of 2:45 is especially soft, so you end up with a bunch of moderately above average ladies who can afford to fly to a part of California that no one actually wants to go to for a weekend and spend $270 on shoes they'll wear once running 2:44 and change in super shoes so that they can go around calling themselves 'elite' and getting the running media all hyped about women's empowerment that really only benefits a tiny affluent subset of women. The purpose of the Olympic marathon trials is to pick a competitive Olympic team, not to help your hobbyjogger wife show off to her running friends.
The same thing happens at the BQ level, but is possibly worse, because it makes the buffer harder for people who ran legitimate courses.
I think runners as a whole are affluent (both genders), same with tennis and golf.
jecht wrote:
I think runners as a whole are affluent (both genders), same with tennis and golf.
Of course they are... and the LRC audience is very well-educated, high income , and overwhelmingly works in white collar professions... and yet is obsessed with who is a "blue collar" runner or not
This is all a relative thing... from what I can tell the CIM course is outrageously flat compared to any kind of roads that exist anywhere I have lived. Yes, compared to big city marathons which tend to be flat because of the urban environment, I will concede that it is rolling, but I still think that to characterize it as "flat" is accurate in that it is flatter than any 26 mile running route within a 50 mile radius of anywhere I have ever lived. Depending on your source it looks like it has 250-650 feet of total elevation gain, compared to at least about 1200-1500 feet elevation gain for what I would consider an "average" 26 mile route, or closer to 2600 for what I would consider "hilly' in this part of the country. I think the Boston marathon is probably the flattest 26 miles I have ever run in my life.
Aided beyond belief wrote:
I can’t wait to see the hundreds of runners that will run 2 minutes faster than they will ever run on a legitimate course.
Is CJ Albertson still running? If he goes sub 2:09:00 (or even 2:10:00), the debate about CIM may crash this site.
Unless you're truly elite, who cares if a course is 2 minutes fast? Nobody cares about the difference between 2:43 and 2:41 or 2:56 and 2:54. And a lot of times it's not that easy to find a pancake flat course that fits your location/schedule anyway; so it's just not realistic for a lot of people to run a "real" course, however OP defines it.
Also, it seems pretty hard to truly say that a race is x number of minutes/seconds fast based on the course since weather and other factors seem to be pretty influential in a marathon. It's cool to see the times of a guy like CJ Albertson who has run 2:11 in Atlanta, Arizona, and Boston (and slower than 2:11 at CIM).
ButActually wrote:
CIM is worse than the rest of them because it's such a manufactured race that whores itself out to fastish sub-elites. They actually pay runners who hit the Olympic B-standard $500 ($1500) for the A-standard) if they apply in advance. The women's B-Standard of 2:45 is especially soft, so you end up with a bunch of moderately above average ladies who can afford to fly to a part of California that no one actually wants to go to for a weekend and spend $270 on shoes they'll wear once running 2:44 and change in super shoes so that they can go around calling themselves 'elite' and getting the running media all hyped about women's empowerment that really only benefits a tiny affluent subset of women. The purpose of the Olympic marathon trials is to pick a competitive Olympic team, not to help your hobbyjogger wife show off to her running friends.
The same thing happens at the BQ level, but is possibly worse, because it makes the buffer harder for people who ran legitimate courses.
Were you a misogynist before you missed the BQ or just since then?
TeteDLO wrote:
Are you sure about that, what with nations being limited to 3 per event per gender at Worlds and Olympics?
Yes, top 10 at World Marathon Majors achieve the qualifying standard for World/Olympic teams. Of course each country selects their best 3 (however they do it) who have achieved the qualifying standard.
https://worldathletics.org/news/press-releases/qualification-period-marathon-50km-walk-ends