habs wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Ezekiel Kemboi sighting in the race photos
Nice catch:
https://cdn.runnertag.site/IMAGES/PREVIEW/100761_12655708_1214138332.jpg
He ran a 34:43 10K (just a jog for Kemboi) but hard to believe they were together at any point at that pace nearly twice as fast as a 23:39 3K. I thought the 23:39 was a 5K time when I first posted but now that I see it was actually a 3k, yea I'd say it's overwhelmingly likely the 18:xx 5k 7 days later isn't accurate.
Actually this may seem strange but the known sprint genes are actually more prevelant in 200-400 meter runners than 100. We dont know why, but a logical effect may be interaction between different genes. Take ace or actn3 as an example.
kartelite wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
A world class 100m sprinter running an 18 minute 5k seems unlikely.
With the kind of sprint speed he has, it seems impossible he would have that kind of endurance
An 18 minute 5k is about the same IAAF points as a 27.0 200m or 13.2 100m.
I’m pretty sure almost any top male distance runner could hit those 100m or 200m times, so why shouldn’t a top sprinter be able to hit an equivalent distance time?
Because distance runners still need good top speed and the ability to sprint at the end of races, whereas a sub 10 second 100m man needs literally zero aerobic ability or slow twitch muscle fiber?
Anyway, this guy probably just did this not to waste all the EPO he is likely taking.
Ezekiel Kemboi still got it.
https://twitter.com/MakeItKenya/status/1464096811883319320?s=20
It is very impressive for a world class sprinter to run sub 6 min mile pace for 5km. My only explanation is He is Kenyan.
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I don’t have the energy to explain nor would it matter but that is incredibly impressive if that is a legit course.
Also, to anyone saying that he is not heavy. World class sprinters are not heavy unless they are tall. A common misconception.
kartelite wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
A world class 100m sprinter running an 18 minute 5k seems unlikely.
With the kind of sprint speed he has, it seems impossible he would have that kind of endurance
An 18 minute 5k is about the same IAAF points as a 27.0 200m or 13.2 100m.
I’m pretty sure almost any top male distance runner could hit those 100m or 200m times, so why shouldn’t a top sprinter be able to hit an equivalent distance time?
Good point. Being impressed by omanyala's 5k time is like being impressed by a distance runner running 13.2 seconds or 27.0 seconds for the 100m and 200m.
malmo wrote:
rojo wrote:
You and many people on this site don't realize that almost everyone who runs or comes to letsrun is in the top 10% talent pool for distance running.
I think a majority of the world's population would have a hard time breaking 19 even if they trained for it.
For comparisons sake, the winning average time for the girls xc winning team in Maryland this year was 20:36 and the couse is listed as 3 miles.
Everyone is right and you are wrong. There's nothing notable about this. When I saw the thread title I thought he might have run in the low 14s.
Do you really think anyone in history has been capable of sub-10.00 FAT and sub-15? No chance.
This guy is a borderline genetic alien/freakshow if he runs a 9.77. That's like top .000001% of humans that have ever lived.
He's not that heavy either( which would make a 5k hard).
Someone with his extraterrestial genes running an average to bad high school varsity boys 5k time off little to no endurance training isn't that hard to presume. Especially when you consider he might have .00001% willpower/drive in any type of sport.
I've seen some 225 pound navy seals/delta force guys do things running that honestly blew my mind. You can run a 18 minute 5k on pure hate (with no training).
The Spade Detector wrote:
kartelite wrote:
An 18 minute 5k is about the same IAAF points as a 27.0 200m or 13.2 100m.
I’m pretty sure almost any top male distance runner could hit those 100m or 200m times, so why shouldn’t a top sprinter be able to hit an equivalent distance time?
Because distance runners still need good top speed and the ability to sprint at the end of races, whereas a sub 10 second 100m man needs literally zero aerobic ability or slow twitch muscle fiber?
Anyway, this guy probably just did this not to waste all the EPO he is likely taking.
Coevett chalks up an 18 minute 5k to EPO. Shocker.
habs wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Ezekiel Kemboi sighting in the race photos
Nice catch:
https://cdn.runnertag.site/IMAGES/PREVIEW/100761_12655708_1214138332.jpg
this is an awesome photo
rojo wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
18 minutes seems crazy to you? There are high school freshmen who run faster. You know sprinters do occasional distance runs of a few miles as part of their training - thats all it takes to run 18
You and many people on this site don't realize that almost everyone who runs or comes to letsrun is in the top 10% talent pool for distance running.
I think a majority of the world's population would have a hard time breaking 19 even if they trained for it.
For comparisons sake, the winning average time for the girls xc winning team in Maryland this year was 20:36 and the couse is listed as 3 miles.
On my high school xc team, 30 runners ran sub 19 in the regional xc 5k. We had 100 guys in each grade. Was a state champion team, but still the percent that can run 19 is a lot higher than 10.
sepreh wrote:
rojo wrote:
You and many people on this site don't realize that almost everyone who runs or comes to letsrun is in the top 10% talent pool for distance running.
I think a majority of the world's population would have a hard time breaking 19 even if they trained for it.
For comparisons sake, the winning average time for the girls xc winning team in Maryland this year was 20:36 and the couse is listed as 3 miles.
On my high school xc team, 30 runners ran sub 19 in the regional xc 5k. We had 100 guys in each grade. Was a state champion team, but still the percent that can run 19 is a lot higher than 10.
Go back and read Rojo's statements. They 10% statement is in one paragraph. The 19 minute statement is in another paragraph.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
malmo wrote:
Everyone is right and you are wrong. There's nothing notable about this. When I saw the thread title I thought he might have run in the low 14s.
Do you really think anyone in history has been capable of sub-10.00 FAT and sub-15? No chance.
I am sure in 1920's & 1930's most thought sub-4 mile was not possible.
I didn't think Miruts Yifter was possible until he showed otherwise. A 48.xx 400m man and sub-13:15 5000m man.
Malmo did not forecast a sub-15 5K for F. Omanyala. Go back and read Malmo again. I don't think the combination: sub-10 100m and sub-15 5000m is impossible. There is no incentive for sub-10 100m guys to train for sub-15 5K. If it can be done, it would be done by a guy under 160 pounds. Heck, I am pleasantly surprised when high school age sub-1:53 800m guys also are capable of racing sub-15:15 5K XC.
sepreh wrote:
rojo wrote:
You and many people on this site don't realize that almost everyone who runs or comes to letsrun is in the top 10% talent pool for distance running.
I think a majority of the world's population would have a hard time breaking 19 even if they trained for it.
For comparisons sake, the winning average time for the girls xc winning team in Maryland this year was 20:36 and the couse is listed as 3 miles.
On my high school xc team, 30 runners ran sub 19 in the regional xc 5k. We had 100 guys in each grade. Was a state champion team, but still the percent that can run 19 is a lot higher than 10.
30 out of how many? And also remember that distance running is a self selecting sport, to a degree. a cross country team is in no way representative of a typical population's running genetics.
goprunnerboi wrote:
I've seen some 225 pound navy seals/delta force guys do things running that honestly blew my mind. You can run a 18 minute 5k on pure hate (with no training).
Not 18 on pure hate. More like 20. Unless you're not producing lactate (very rare condition).
As a sprinter this is 100% believable.
I was a very average university level (10.5) guy and right after uni ended I spent 3 months drinking my face off in Europe - came back home 10 lbs fatter - started jogging and hill running to lose weights and ran a 20 flat (had never run a 5k before) 12.5 laps at track.
A couple things here:
1 - 18 mins is actually really slow (I know a lot of guys here don’t run much faster but to an elite this is a super easy jog)
2- you’re discounting / no mention of other factors besides endurance and slow twitch fibers - like the strength of this guys legs and the efficiency of his stride!
3 - Again - 18 mins is VERY slow. As mentioned above this is a 27 second 200m. Even with only slow twitch fibers every elite distance runner could hit this , especially in off season or speed training sessions.
Anyway I have a sprinters perspective on this.
