"I love the pain of a hard long run": Shelby Houlihan is moving up to the Half/Full Marathon in her return.

avonaioen wrote:

only wrong if you get caught? wrote:

But your knowledge of someone's doping isn't what makes the doping wrong. It is wrong whether you know about it or not.

LOL ummm...ok? I agree?

Ok, so it is inconsistent to decide how you feel about dopers based on your own knowledge of their doping. What they are doing is right or wrong independent of what you happen to know or not know.

only wrong if you get caught? wrote:

avonaioen wrote:

LOL ummm...ok? I agree?

Ok, so it is inconsistent to decide how you feel about dopers based on your own knowledge of their doping. What they are doing is right or wrong independent of what you happen to know or not know.

lol....are you okay?

The big question is whether she can stay competitive for the next 4 years. Where will she compete and train? Under her current ban is she allowed to train with a legit club? If so, will the club allow her to participate without suffering bad press and or hurting their reputation within the running community? She will need to consistently compete somewhere in order to keep her competitive edge. I think she can be very competitive in 2025, she will have plenty of time to build her base and will be extremely motivated to run fast. If she in fact is and was clean and was falsely banned she will be a very tough competitor. The only pending issue is if she makes a successful comeback will it be questioned and or tainted? Undoubtedly so.

She just has to stay in shape till her ban is over and she will crush the American records from 10000 to marathon. It will look super suspicious, but so does her American records in the 1500 and 5000.

She is gross and a doper. Good riddance.

An Insider in Nike wrote:

Shelby vs Gidey in Paris. I'm taking Shelby.

Gidey will demolish Shelby on the roads. There is no way Shelby will get in 63 minute HM shape.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wonder if "the pain of a long hard run" is anything like the pain of a 4 year ban?

Oh look; the liar has migrated to another thread.

'mopac wrote:

Does she get tested during her doping ban?

Yes. Probably even target tested.

NERunner03533 wrote:

Please don't turn this thread into a doping thread, there are plenty of those (I'M SERIOUS). I'm talking about after her ban is lifted so no need to talk about it.

Yeahhh so I think it's relevant to talk about her doping (conviction) because I have zero interest in what she does if/when she comes back & hopes US races won't pay her appearance fees on the roads.[/quote]

Oh they will. Americans are only hard on doping when it's non-Americans who are caught.

casual obsever wrote:

Armin Tamzarian wrote:We’re going to look back on this anti-doping stance and shake our heads in 20 years.

I highly doubt that. Most people are glad that the unlimited hard-core doping era of the 80s is over.

Having said that, we need to go away from the self-policing (no American or Kenyan testers for American or Kenyan athletes) and change this into a fair + standardized international effort. And more transparency would help.

That shift is already happening. Who do you think took down Houlihan and Coleman? Certainly not USADA.

dullard wrote:

That shift is already happening. Who do you think took down Houlihan and Coleman? Certainly not USADA.

Good point. AIU, just like with McNeal, I think.

Not a good time for USADA: our three latest stars all caught on American soil by AIU, and then CAS scolded openly USADA in the Coleman (for the illegitimate warning and courtesy calls) and Salazar (for the way they presented and withdrew evidence) cases.

Well, Gidey does not have a sprint finish, but pretty tough to have won World Junior XC twice. She really looks like the perfect running machine. And every road race she seems to puke after the event.

Yes, yes yes wrote:

Shelby has done 10-mile sessions on the grass in well below 5:20 average on the grass. She's an areobic beast.

Honestly, how does OP not expect this to become a thread about doping? Of course she's an aerobic beast. She's a doper.

irunfastXC wrote:

Yes, yes yes wrote:

Shelby has done 10-mile sessions on the grass in well below 5:20 average on the grass. She's an areobic beast.

Honestly, how does OP not expect this to become a thread about doping? Of course she's an aerobic beast. She's a doper.

Exactly. Sometimes I think that people forget how cheating works and what it does.

We don't know how "good" Shelby is because now that we know she cheated, we don't know for how long. Shelby appeared to be a "beast' but she could have just been a run of the mill US distance runner with no titles, records or maybe even no international teams to her name. We literally don't know because the cheating warped what her actual abilities were.

I have no interest in her beyond calling out over and over again that your favorite neighborhood distance runner is a cheater so she doesn't get to crawl back in and act like none of that ever happened.

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wonder if "the pain of a long hard run" is anything like the pain of a 4 year ban?

Oh look; the liar has migrated to another thread.

So she's not serving a 4 year ban? Speaking there of lying.

oldguy1 wrote:

Well, Gidey does not have a sprint finish, but pretty tough to have won World Junior XC twice. She really looks like the perfect running machine. And every road race she seems to puke after the event.

So not the perfect running machine.

I agree

I would hope she would use these next 4 years as a chance to acquire some other job skills. She is essentially fired from her current job and hopefully, she has some funds put away so she can diversify her skills. I suspect it would be good for her to develop an identity outside of running given what has happened. It will always be a hard legacy to bear.

Sorry, but I believe in lifetime bans. End of thread.