Unfortunately this site is full of misogynists. Well that, and her SKIN is brown.
Unfortunately this site is full of misogynists. Well that, and her SKIN is brown.
revolution is nigh wrote:
Unfortunately this site is full of misogynists. Well that, and her SKIN is brown.
This is a huge factor here. Huge!
Jimmkner wrote:
revolution is nigh wrote:
Unfortunately this site is full of misogynists. Well that, and her SKIN is brown.
This is a huge factor here. Huge!
Not as big a factor as "her" testes. But that's clearly what you like about her/him.
StayerFan wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Women do not have male T-levels.
Because male T-levels don't exist at all.
You may as well leave the thread now.
Belarussiya wrote:
You sound quite bigoted. Where is she suppose to compete then? If she has a small pair of testicles it's not her fault she was born with them.
Speaking there as one with a small pair of testicles?
Armstronglivs wrote:
Jimmkner wrote:
This is a huge factor here. Huge!
Not as big a factor as "her" testes. But that's clearly what you like about her/him.
I don’t have to like Francine in order to defend her dignity against a racist and sexist pig like you.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Belarussiya wrote:
You sound quite bigoted. Where is she suppose to compete then? If she has a small pair of testicles it's not her fault she was born with them.
Speaking there as one with a small pair of testicles?
You are 68 and you sound like a 12 year old. So pathetic.
Jimmkner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Speaking there as one with a small pair of testicles?
You are 68 and you sound like a 12 year old. So pathetic.
We have another with a tiny pair.
Jimmkner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not as big a factor as "her" testes. But that's clearly what you like about her/him.
I don’t have to like Francine in order to defend her dignity against a racist and sexist pig like you.
You keep defending him - because that's what "she" is. That's the part you can't get - and the only part I care about. Dunce.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Jimmkner wrote:
I don’t have to like Francine in order to defend her dignity against a racist and sexist pig like you.
You keep defending him - because that's what "she" is. That's the part you can't get - and the only part I care about. Dunce.
You have just admitted that the only part of Francine you care about are her alleged testicles. I suppose for you they are like popsicles, only better.
Yeah, shut up and grow a pair!!
VroomVroom wrote:
If they don’t change the rules Mboma is going to put the 200m female record out of reach in a year or two.
It already is for any clean athlete, Mbomba could put the record out of reach for female dopers.
Flo-Jo was among the most obvious dopers in very doped era.
Jimmkner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep defending him - because that's what "she" is. That's the part you can't get - and the only part I care about. Dunce.
You have just admitted that the only part of Francine you care about are her alleged testicles. I suppose for you they are like popsicles, only better.
Your infantilism knows no limits. Yet you think you are equipped to debate the issue of intersex participation in female sport - which is what Niyonsaba represents.
RunRagged wrote:
Per the standards that WA uses, the normal T range for females is .02-1.68 nmol/L; for males it's 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The current WA rules apply only to athletes competing in women's athletics with a small number of specific DSDs who have male levels of T. These athletes have male levels of T because they have male gonads, testes, or combination gonads in which functioning testicular tissue is predominant. These athletes also have male-typical androgen sensitivity that enables their bodies to make use of the T that their male gonads produce as males typically do.
All except one of the conditions listed in the WA DSD regs solely occur in persons with XY sex chromosomes. WA has said on many different occasions that the only athletes subject to the current DSD rules to those who are XY.
DSD stands for disorders/differences of sex development, or disorders of sex differentiation, which are umbrella terms for approximately 40 different, discrete inherited conditions that cause atypical sex development in male and female people. Nowadays many use the term VSC, which stands for variations of sex characteristics.
There are a number of different conditions that occur in female people which can cause us to have "naturally high T." Such as PCOS, CAH and pregnancy. But female people who have "high T" have "high T" relative to the normal female range, .02-1.68 nmol/L. The T levels of females with "high T" come nowhere near the normal male range, 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The one exception is women who have testosterone-secreting tumors due to cancer. Some women with such tumors will have T in the lower end of the normal male range. But they will also be extremely ill - way too ill to be participating in elite level international sports, much less to be placing, winning and setting records.
If one of the conditions can occur in persons with XX chromosomes that doesn't mean ALL. WA changed the rules since 2019 without any public discussion and CAS permission.
We even don't know maybe WA only tests T-level and nothing more. If you check topic that I shared above you can find some cases when women have high T-level (more than 5 nmol/L) without mentioned conditions.
Ruling Class wrote:
Because the World Athletics rule applies specifically to athletes with 46 XY DSD.
If the rule is being applied to Mboma - and we know that it is because she cannot run the 400m - it’s because she has 46 XY DSD.
It's not true. You just don't want read what I shared above.
StayerFan wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
Per the standards that WA uses, the normal T range for females is .02-1.68 nmol/L; for males it's 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The current WA rules apply only to athletes competing in women's athletics with a small number of specific DSDs who have male levels of T. These athletes have male levels of T because they have male gonads, testes, or combination gonads in which functioning testicular tissue is predominant. These athletes also have male-typical androgen sensitivity that enables their bodies to make use of the T that their male gonads produce as males typically do.
All except one of the conditions listed in the WA DSD regs solely occur in persons with XY sex chromosomes. WA has said on many different occasions that the only athletes subject to the current DSD rules to those who are XY.
DSD stands for disorders/differences of sex development, or disorders of sex differentiation, which are umbrella terms for approximately 40 different, discrete inherited conditions that cause atypical sex development in male and female people. Nowadays many use the term VSC, which stands for variations of sex characteristics.
There are a number of different conditions that occur in female people which can cause us to have "naturally high T." Such as PCOS, CAH and pregnancy. But female people who have "high T" have "high T" relative to the normal female range, .02-1.68 nmol/L. The T levels of females with "high T" come nowhere near the normal male range, 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The one exception is women who have testosterone-secreting tumors due to cancer. Some women with such tumors will have T in the lower end of the normal male range. But they will also be extremely ill - way too ill to be participating in elite level international sports, much less to be placing, winning and setting records.
If one of the conditions can occur in persons with XX chromosomes that doesn't mean ALL. WA changed the rules since 2019 without any public discussion and CAS permission.
We even don't know maybe WA only tests T-level and nothing more. If you check topic that I shared above you can find some cases when women have high T-level (more than 5 nmol/L) without mentioned conditions.
Perhaps you could give an example of such an athlete.
StayerFan wrote:
Ruling Class wrote:
Because the World Athletics rule applies specifically to athletes with 46 XY DSD.
If the rule is being applied to Mboma - and we know that it is because she cannot run the 400m - it’s because she has 46 XY DSD.
It's not true. You just don't want read what I shared above.
You mean your work of fiction?
RunRagged wrote:
StayerFan wrote:
The rule applies to almost all women with a high T-level. DSD doesn't mean that you are intersex. This is a very broad concept with different characteristics.
Per the standards that WA uses, the normal T range for females is .02-1.68 nmol/L; for males it's 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The current WA rules apply only to athletes competing in women's athletics with a small number of specific DSDs who have male levels of T. These athletes have male levels of T because they have male gonads, testes, or combination gonads in which functioning testicular tissue is predominant. These athletes also have male-typical androgen sensitivity that enables their bodies to make use of the T that their male gonads produce as males typically do.
All except one of the conditions listed in the WA DSD regs solely occur in persons with XY sex chromosomes. WA has said on many different occasions that the only athletes subject to the current DSD rules to those who are XY.
DSD stands for disorders/differences of sex development, or disorders of sex differentiation, which are umbrella terms for approximately 40 different, discrete inherited conditions that cause atypical sex development in male and female people. Nowadays many use the term VSC, which stands for variations of sex characteristics.
There are a number of different conditions that occur in female people which can cause us to have "naturally high T." Such as PCOS, CAH and pregnancy. But female people who have "high T" have "high T" relative to the normal female range, .02-1.68 nmol/L. The T levels of females with "high T" come nowhere near the normal male range, 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.
The one exception is women who have testosterone-secreting tumors due to cancer. Some women with such tumors will have T in the lower end of the normal male range. But they will also be extremely ill - way too ill to be participating in elite level international sports, much less to be placing, winning and setting records.
I just wanted to thank you for your contributions on this subject - especially as you are a woman so you often add a new perspective to the conversation
Armstrong as well! Much appreciated 👍🏾
Armstronglivs wrote:
You mean your work of fiction?
You will never understand what I mean. Or what anybody mean whose opinion you don't like.
21.81 in Tokyo
21.84 in Nairobi (WU20 champs)
21.84 in Brussels DL
Not bad for someone who recently had a PB of 22.67 but I was hoping she'd set a new PB in the 21.7x range this year.
I still think she'll break the WR next year at Worlds. Needs to work a lot on her start though.
Not surprised to see Americans defending their doped athletes but criticizing others who are not taking performance-enhancing drugs. Mboma being off the podium in the future means that someone who had 3 whereabouts failures in one year wins??? ... I'm really not sure that's a victory for T&F...