Hes already entered his prime. Has been for 2 years. He probably has 3 more such "prime" years left, give or take one.
Hes already entered his prime. Has been for 2 years. He probably has 3 more such "prime" years left, give or take one.
high school xc coach wrote:
very interesting . 25-26 seems to be the biggest concentration of PRs.
looking at best 5 year stretch from some of the guys: ElG from 24-28, Lagat 26-30, Kiprop 23-27, Morcelli 22-26, Kiplagat 21-25, Willis 28-32, Tim C. 22-26
Nothing new. Most science works claim, that between 25-30y you can have the best body, later it declines.
objectiveobserver wrote:
18rabbittskiing wrote:
"I'm confident Jakob will have another 5 solid years of PRs ahead of him possibly more but Cheruiyot probably does too as they are similar age. Ovett had Coe's number head to head from 1977 to 1980 until he didn't and Coe retired with the better times in 800, 1500, and mile."
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Tim is almost 5 years older than Jakob! Tim at 25 is at the age where most 1500m runners peak.
Yes I was thinking Jacob Kiplomo who is the same age as Jakob Ingebrigsten, you're right time is older, brain fart on my part. Tim likely has a fewer years of potential peak performance than Jakob. One might argue Jakob is just entering prime whereas Tim is solidly there but there's definitely variation between individuals.
Yakob's internal clock has undoubtedly been fastforwarded to 25 with the decades worth of training he already has. Dont expect too much more from him.
I bet he has at least five more good years left if he wants to.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Yakob's internal clock has undoubtedly been fastforwarded to 25 with the decades worth of training he already has. Dont expect too much more from him.
I actually think this thinking might be wrong, but cannot prove it. He mayhave used the years of very high general development of the body and high recovery rate in his favour, getting either just quicker to his level or using his genetic capability to a level he would not reach if starting later.
I do not know. In case there is just so much available training time until the body is detoriated, you might be right
objectiveobserver wrote:
J A G wrote:
"They are different. Henrik has had a lot of injuries, mabye being the Guinea pig as being the first and I theorize due to his running style possibly impacting the back side more than wanted (he has had hamstring and glute problems). Filip is as far as I know not that susceptible for injuries, but have allergies and other problems impairing his training performance. I do think he has managed much better through that training. Jakob has had very little trouble in spite of training a lot during periods of growing a lot. It can be he is much less prone to injuries and I think he might have been following the instructions more to the point in terms of intensity. Henrik is through the TV-series displaying a much more wreckless mentality also in training. Good in competition (he is really good at performing), worse in training....
He just answered a question about margins. He has a lot of margin in this training, meaning the do not push the limits in terms of pace or intensity, but still he improves. That is a clear sign that he will stay mainly out of trouble. He had a stress fracture in late 2019 and into 2020, but with alternative training, it did apparently not affect his improvement much. He may have the tools to keep improving even if some injuries arrive."
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It is true that Henrik is much more undisciplined when it comes to training. In the "Team Ingebrigtsen" reality series
you several times see Henrik running faster in the reps than scheduled (which is really a deadly sin, especially in the first reps).
On the other hand Jakob has recently stated that he from a very young age was running all sessions prescribed by Gjert and NEVER ANYTHING MORE. So not too little and not too much. I think Jim Ryun and Alan webb would wish they had trained with the same discipline.
Jakob was told at a very young age he could be the best in the world and all his experiences confirmed that:
Running just below 30 minutes in a 8.2 km road race at 10; beating seriously training adults from the age of 12.
The same runners had problems to accept it then but they possible understand and accept it better today!?
At 15 he was a narrow runner up at the Norwegian XC SENIOR champs beating runners of European class so he has known all the way that his training was working perfectly well.
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Finally I will copy something just wrote in another thread:
"As predicted in other threads Jakob is - as it stands now - the man to beat in all distances from the 1500m to the 5000m.
Cheptegei could come back to his 2020 WR shape but I doubt it. And some of the current competitors could improve significantly or there could come new guys in the classroom but if not I consider Jakob to be the dominant track runner in the coming years.
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As stated in numerous other threads I believe he will - everything equal - improve his track times from the 1500m to 5000m at least until he is in his mid twenties (as most other top milers and long distance runners have done)."
Well, well
objectiveobserver wrote:
m t p wrote:
"Most of what you said is sensible but we just watched Cheptegei win the gold medal in an incredible performance (sub-13:00, 3:58 last 1600) and then win the 2-mile at Pre over all of the top guys from the 5k and 10k in Tokyo. Jakob is in fine shape but Chep is without a shadow of a doubt the man to beat at 5k. "
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I disagree about Cheptegei dominating the 5000m!
If Jakob had chosen to run the 5000m instead of the 1500m at the Olympics I feel quite certain he would have won.
Don´t you think Jakob could run sub 13 with a last 1600m in 3:58?
Jakob sat on Tim when Tim was running 55 and 56 laps in the 1500m final. Don´t you think Jakob could have sat on Joshua when he was running 59.5 laps (in average) and then outsprinted him on the home stretch?
The only uncertainty I can see in Tokyo was the hot weather.
And as you know Jakob beat Joshua quite easily in the DL Florens 5000m.
I don´t think, however, we will know with certainty this year who are best ( Jakob will probably not double in the finals in Zürich since the 5000m is run the day before the 1500m).
But we can come back to this thread next year if they compete in the DL Rome 5000m in June or in another 5000m..
Hmmm..
What a banger analysis + totally right + spot on predictions
Given that Henrik is now Jakob's coach and Gjert has had to step back due to health issues, do you now worry there is not someone who will tell Jakob to slow down and be cautious if he does get injured? In the TV show Gjert, maybe counter to what I had in mind beforehand, was actually the voice of reason and extremely cautious with injuries, whereas Henrik caused himself more trouble by trying to rush back too quickly.
Hopefully Jakob can continue to stay healthy, because injuries are the one thing that could potentially de-rail his expected period of dominance over the next few years.
JakobTheBeast wrote:
Given that Henrik is now Jakob's coach and Gjert has had to step back due to health issues, do you now worry there is not someone who will tell Jakob to slow down and be cautious if he does get injured? In the TV show Gjert, maybe counter to what I had in mind beforehand, was actually the voice of reason and extremely cautious with injuries, whereas Henrik caused himself more trouble by trying to rush back too quickly.
Hopefully Jakob can continue to stay healthy, because injuries are the one thing that could potentially de-rail his expected period of dominance over the next few years.
I think this is a big question, but it seems that Jakob is pretty reasonable here. It seems for me that Henrik might be a bit more unreasonable, but I have no idea. Fingers crossed. I dunno if Jakob said it in international media, but at 5 in the morning he took a flight to Switzerland to prepare to europeans. No celebration. Its incredible if he can sustain this for 5-10 more years.
I don't get why he keeps running the 1500. Boring. Do some 10ks and halfs and it will get more people watching.
My Pillow Fight Guy wrote:
Retirement TOUR
I think you mean Retirement PORTAL
JakobTheBeast wrote:
Given that Henrik is now Jakob's coach and Gjert has had to step back due to health issues, do you now worry there is not someone who will tell Jakob to slow down and be cautious if he does get injured? In the TV show Gjert, maybe counter to what I had in mind beforehand, was actually the voice of reason and extremely cautious with injuries, whereas Henrik caused himself more trouble by trying to rush back too quickly.
Hopefully Jakob can continue to stay healthy, because injuries are the one thing that could potentially de-rail his expected period of dominance over the next few years.
like many of us runners, Henrik knows the correct way to train, he just can't discipline himself enough to do it. impatience gets the best of a lot of us. Some of this has to do with trying to keep up with the Jones's (in Henrik's case, his more talented brother(s)). Jakob is the one with the biggest talent, so overtraining to keep up with partners is not quite the issue it is for others.
1500m is very overrated wrote:
I don't get why he keeps running the 1500. Boring. Do some 10ks and halfs and it will get more people watching.
He enjoys running it and think it is the most exciting distance. I will guess he moves up eventually.
Peach Pit wrote:
What a banger analysis + totally right + spot on predictions
Thanks
This is true in all sports! Especially those where there is more "technique" involved. The younger sibling gets better because they can't just rely on being bigger to compete with their siblings. See also Williams, Serena.
AS I stated in the first quote above:
Jakob has always done exactly what Gjert prescribed and nothing more so Jakob is different from Henrik. I think that last time Jakob had an injury was after the X country U20 European Championships in 2019 in Lissabon. He in the very end of the race get out of balance in a jump and got some leg injury (you can see in the youtube video).
But otherwise he hasn´t had serious injuries for years.
And as also stated above:
He has known from a very young age that his training was working perfectly well so he has had no reason to try to train more or harder.
And it is also wellknown that he doesn´t like training but endures it because he loves to compete!
Morceli and then El G had long runs as #1 miler in the world.
Seven (in a row, 1990-1996) for Morceli and seven for El G too (1997-2003) per TFN.
I would say it is 8 for El G as he really was #1 in 2004 too (he won OLY 1500m; ranked #2 to Lagat by TFN).
Jakob could do this or even better
El G was No 1 in 1996 ... except for his fall in the Olym Games.
Most people here were young or wasn't even born, but Aouita was even more dominant in the 80s:
3 Global winner of IAAF Grand Prix