It's not a done deal. Kenya faces challenges from Morocco and South Africa for the 2025 championships. The government of Queensland, Australia is also mulling a bid.
It's not a done deal. Kenya faces challenges from Morocco and South Africa for the 2025 championships. The government of Queensland, Australia is also mulling a bid.
The altitude would suck.
Can they successfully host a World event and have the infrastructure to pull it off? I'd rather not risk it. Please go eleswhere.
Mexico City was one of the best Olympics ever. I say Nairobi is willing and able, bring it "home".
El Keniano wrote:Mexico City was one of the best Olympics ever. I say Nairobi is willing and able, bring it "home".
1968 Mexico City and Nairobi are two entirely differnt worlds, both economically and politically.
I don't know about this idea wrote:
El Keniano wrote:Mexico City was one of the best Olympics ever. I say Nairobi is willing and able, bring it "home".
1968 Mexico City and Nairobi are two entirely differnt worlds, both economically and politically.
That's true. Hopefully, there won't be mass executions of college students in the streets of Nairobi weeks before the World Championships.
The Olympic Comity and riche countries look only at money and financial interest. This is their logic.
Remember what they did to Morocco for the FIFA cup. South Africa blackmailed the FIFA and it was proved brought to "Court of Arbitration for Sport".
Every day spent in this earth, I'm more and more convinced that this world is corrupt.
That's what it took to rob Jim Ryun. From 1500m and up those not born at altitude like you a fake Kenyan will have no chance. Still doping does not bother you so neither will this.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
That's what it took to rob Jim Ryun. From 1500m and up those not born at altitude like you a fake Kenyan will have no chance. Still doping does not bother you so neither will this.
Ah, shaddap! The UK didn't win any golds at sea-level Tokyo. You'll make up the numbers the conditions regardless.
It would say a lot about where the sport is that the country that is second only to Russia for drug busts should get to host a world championship. Let's hear a bid for Moscow.
William Faulkner is 2nd Rate wrote:
I don't know about this idea wrote:
1968 Mexico City and Nairobi are two entirely differnt worlds, both economically and politically.
That's true. Hopefully, there won't be mass executions of college students in the streets of Nairobi weeks before the World Championships.
I'm just hoping they don't burn the city to the ground.
Armstronglivs wrote:
It would say a lot about where the sport is that the country that is second only to Russia for drug busts should get to host a world championship. Let's hear a bid for Moscow.
With only three athletes of note out of New Zealand in the last 20 years, it's impossible to ban anywhere near those numbers. See how it works?
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It would say a lot about where the sport is that the country that is second only to Russia for drug busts should get to host a world championship. Let's hear a bid for Moscow.
With only three athletes of note out of New Zealand in the last 20 years, it's impossible to ban anywhere near those numbers. See how it works?
When there is more doping in Kenya than almost any other country except Russia there will be more busts than in any other country except Russia. See how it works?
Armstronglivs wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
With only three athletes of note out of New Zealand in the last 20 years, it's impossible to ban anywhere near those numbers. See how it works?
When there is more doping in Kenya than almost any other country except Russia there will be more busts than in any other country except Russia. See how it works?
Again, that's because Kenya has hundreds upon hundreds of elites, and New Zealand just three, with two of those from the throwing events. .
ukathleticscoach wrote:
That's what it took to rob Jim Ryun. From 1500m and up those not born at altitude like you a fake Kenyan will have no chance. Still doping does not bother you so neither will this.
Western culture or more specifically English culture is at the root of robbing Olympic medals from Jim Ryun. At his height, weight and estimated 400m speed of low 46.xx, Jim Ryun threw away two 800m gold medals chasing 1500m/one mile glory. Ryun should have been a lower mileage 400m/800m guy like Tom Courtney. Ryun chasing 1500m glory sacrificed 800m gold, 1968 & 1972. If Ryun grew up in eastern Europe or southern Europe, J. Ryun's story would be a completely different story.
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
When there is more doping in Kenya than almost any other country except Russia there will be more busts than in any other country except Russia. See how it works?
Again, that's because Kenya has hundreds upon hundreds of elites, and New Zealand just three, with two of those from the throwing events. .
NZ has performed at an elite international level across a wide range of sports far above what could be expected for a country of its size. It has incurred very few doping violations in its history and amongst none of its best. Kenya is second only to Russia for doping busts - a country that dopes systemically - and chiefly amongst its runners. If it has a disproportionate pool of elites it is also because of doping. The number of dopers caught will always only be a fraction of those who are doping. The figures make it clear that Kenyan success in running is built on the basis of widespread doping. This is the country that you think should be hosting the world championships. Your deflection to NZ is both irrelevant and ignorant.
Armstronglivs wrote:
The figures make it clear that Kenyan success in running is built on the basis of widespread doping.
1. You have never worked with Kenyan runners.
2. You have no idea how "easy" it is to find young, clean athletes there, capable of running 1:48/low 3:40s on very rudimentary training.
3. Among those athletes there will certainly be some capable of sub 1:45/3:35
4. Some will dope, some will not.
5. You are either unaware of or dismissing the sheer number of athletes training on any given day in the Kenyan Highlands.
6. Is there a doping problem in Kenya? Yes.
7. Is the success of Kenyan athletes built on the basis of widespread doping? No. It's built on the basis of huge participation in the sport, a strong running culture, and ambition/desperation. And it's that ambition and desperation that leads many to dope.
nice step into becoming a new touristic honeypot
qg3q wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The figures make it clear that Kenyan success in running is built on the basis of widespread doping.
1. You have never worked with Kenyan runners.
2. You have no idea how "easy" it is to find young, clean athletes there, capable of running 1:48/low 3:40s on very rudimentary training.
3. Among those athletes there will certainly be some capable of sub 1:45/3:35
4. Some will dope, some will not.
5. You are either unaware of or dismissing the sheer number of athletes training on any given day in the Kenyan Highlands.
6. Is there a doping problem in Kenya? Yes.
7. Is the success of Kenyan athletes built on the basis of widespread doping? No. It's built on the basis of huge participation in the sport, a strong running culture, and ambition/desperation. And it's that ambition and desperation that leads many to dope.
If Kenyan running is built in talent, as you suggest, then why do so many feel the apparent need to dope - as the figures show? On the basis of the number of doping busts in Russia - the only country that exceeds Kenya - the same argument might be made as you do about Kenya, that Russian sporting prominence is built on talent. How about talent enhanced by doping - for both countries?
Armstronglivs wrote:
qg3q wrote:
1. You have never worked with Kenyan runners.
2. You have no idea how "easy" it is to find young, clean athletes there, capable of running 1:48/low 3:40s on very rudimentary training.
3. Among those athletes there will certainly be some capable of sub 1:45/3:35
4. Some will dope, some will not.
5. You are either unaware of or dismissing the sheer number of athletes training on any given day in the Kenyan Highlands.
6. Is there a doping problem in Kenya? Yes.
7. Is the success of Kenyan athletes built on the basis of widespread doping? No. It's built on the basis of huge participation in the sport, a strong running culture, and ambition/desperation. And it's that ambition and desperation that leads many to dope.
If Kenyan running is built in talent, as you suggest, then why do so many feel the apparent need to dope - as the figures show? On the basis of the number of doping busts in Russia - the only country that exceeds Kenya - the same argument might be made as you do about Kenya, that Russian sporting prominence is built on talent. How about talent enhanced by doping - for both countries?
Because in kenya the talent pool is so large people feel they need to dope in order to rise to the top and get out of poverty
qg3q wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The figures make it clear that Kenyan success in running is built on the basis of widespread doping.
1. You have never worked with Kenyan runners.
2. You have no idea how "easy" it is to find young, clean athletes there, capable of running 1:48/low 3:40s on very rudimentary training.
3. Among those athletes there will certainly be some capable of sub 1:45/3:35
4. Some will dope, some will not.
5. You are either unaware of or dismissing the sheer number of athletes training on any given day in the Kenyan Highlands.
6. Is there a doping problem in Kenya? Yes.
7. Is the success of Kenyan athletes built on the basis of widespread doping? No. It's built on the basis of huge participation in the sport, a strong running culture, and ambition/desperation. And it's that ambition and desperation that leads many to dope.
I omitted to address your last point. Why would so many Kenyan athletes be "desperate" to succeed when they have superior talent to runners from other nations? Shouldn't it be easier for them?
Alternatively, I might suggest they dope because they simply see it as necessary in order to achieve - because they aren't that much more talented than anyone else.