Jama Aden sighting. Aden honored in both Bahrain and Somalia for coaching Bahrain's Kalkidan Gezahegne to Olympic silver

Gezahegne just ran a fast 10 KM race. A few notes on this:

1) This is just her fourth race of the season, and first post-Olympics (nearly 2 months later)

2) She is in the AIU RTP and has been since her surprise Olympics performance

3) She is assuredly coached by the Adens, so if you're not suspicious you haven't followed the sports much.

Anyhow, we'll see if she backs up this season or starts a Genzebe Dibaba type spiral.

LOL. Nice deflection and propaganda. CAS of course said no such thing, ever.

I thought we must use the actual words, no paraphrasing allowed? Which statement did you twist and twist until you could possibly conclude that? A statement that didn't even include the word "soy"?

Soy(bean) is mentioned 16 times in their decision, all between 115 (Claimant's Position), 118 (Respondent’s Position) and 119 (Panel's findings).

Here is what CAS said directly about soy under 119:

For example, saying who bought the Epo, and or who used it. We could have a look which of his athletes stopped competing for four years.

You are fighting hard to say something is possible. To illustrate what “possible” means, I drew on a recent example.

But fair enough — the CAS did not say that explicitly. I should have said something like the “CAS leaves open the possibility that …”.

When one expert says “nearly 100% … are fed corn-soy”, and the other says “predominantly corn based”, they have not excluded the possibility that some commercial pork was soy-fed. This possibility grows larger when one of those experts conceded that soy-diets were increased temporarily due to supply problems at around the relevant timeframe.

The CAS actually didn’t offer an opinion about what Houlihan may or may not have eaten. All the CAS really said is that her samples were not consistent with the commercial pork that the AIU experts said were “nearly 100%… fed … corn-soy”, and “predominantly corn-fed”. This finding is consistent with the possibility that Houlihan ingested uncastrated boar offal, from boars that possibly ate more soy during the pandemic.

Since silent bans are exceptions, rather than the rule, we should look for which Aden athletes were banned, unless they are also serving silent bans, for providing substantial assistance.

Since the EPO was not found in Aden’s room, nor in Aden’s possession, and none of the athletes present tested positive for EPO, it’s not clear that Aden would even know who bought the EPO found in the rooms of the Saudi physio Mounir and Balla.

But sure, it’s possible.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Gezahegne just ran a fast 10 KM race. A few notes on this:

1) This is just her fourth race of the season, and first post-Olympics (nearly 2 months later)

2) She is in the AIU RTP and has been since her surprise Olympics performance

3) She is assuredly coached by the Adens, so if you're not suspicious you haven't followed the sports much.

Anyhow, we'll see if she backs up this season or starts a Genzebe Dibaba type spiral.

Not sure if you are directing this to me, but being “suspicious” is right down there with “possible” — it is a very low bar to meet.

I expect Ethiopian born women to run a fast 10KM race — clean or dirty. Fast times don’t really tell me much.

I’ve seen a lot of accusations against Aden, and I have been following his case as much as I can, but in the last 5 years there is simply too little real information.

rekrunner wrote:

You are fighting hard to say something is possible.

Not really. Back on page 1 in this thread, you mentioned two possibilities, and I added two more. That could have been it, but then you had to argue against "my" possibilities for whatever reason. I bumped this thread, because the recent Ngetich case showed that "my" possibilities still do happen and are far from absurd (namely a silent ban and a secret deal behind closed doors).

That also could have been it, but then you started arguing again, while over/mis-interpretating the words of CAS.

It wasn't. Jama Aden is more suspicious than Salazar or that sort of figure to me.

Also funny sideshow is Jama's 19-year-old son "Mr. International" claiming to be her coach AND to be a Nike Track and Field Coach. Of course, she runs for Adidas soooo...

https://www.instagram.com/aymanaden01/

correction: do think she runs for Nike but yes Jama is coaching her not his teenage son either way

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

You are fighting hard to say something is possible.

Not really. Back on page 1 in this thread, you mentioned two possibilities, and I added two more. That could have been it, but then you had to argue against "my" possibilities for whatever reason. I bumped this thread, because the recent Ngetich case showed that "my" possibilities still do happen and are far from absurd (namely a silent ban and a secret deal behind closed doors).

That also could have been it, but then you started arguing again, while over/mis-interpretating the words of CAS.

That could have been it, but what is the point of a discussion forum without discussion?

Sure your possibilities are possible.

With so little “real” information about Aden in the last 5 years, I won’t say anything is impossible.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

It wasn't. Jama Aden is more suspicious than Salazar or that sort of figure to me.

But again “suspicious” is not a very high bar. Everyone can be “suspicious” based on how their imagination fills in the gaps between the known facts, influenced by their own personal projections and biases and prejudices.

Look at how Salazar and NOP athletes have been maligned for more than a decade by so many. An aggressive investigation lasting 5 years into Salazar and NOP athletes, with 30 witnesses, (besides Salazar’s ADRVs) resulted in just two cases of actual doping substances and methods: Magness self-inflicted violation (remember “strict liability” means it is all on him) and testosterone for Salazar’s sons, who are not athletes subject to WADA.

Fans of clean sport, and athletes worldwide must have breathed a sigh of relief learning there was no finding of any doped NOP competitor in any race, ever.

Similarly with Aden, once you strip the facts surrounding of all these imaginary gaps and suspicions and accusations and logical fallacies, do we have enough facts and evidence to disprove the “innocent until proven guilty” position that Aden favored injecting WADA-legal vitamins (something important to bypass “first-pass” filtering), and that Aden organized a training camp unable to control what others brought with them into Spain?

As interesting as suspicions and accusations and emotions and imagination and biases and prejudices and tabloid journalism are, we just don’t have very many real facts after all this time.

Another point to keep in mind, 5 years after the hotel raid, Aden was never banned nor provisionally suspended from coaching any athlete. He has every right to accompany all Sabadell athletes (except Balla temporarily) to Diamond League and World Championships and Olympics and road races. Fans who trust the anti-doping organizations and the Spanish criminal court system should respect this.

rojo wrote:

Here he is in Bahrain:

https://twitter.com/MMSomalitv/status/1428311849209143297

and upon his return to Somali:

https://twitter.com/MMSomalitv/status/1426900239198343173

I met Jama and ran with him 35 years ago and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. I will always have good memories of my time training with him and Abdi.

I hope he isn't what is portrayed.

Update here, unsurprisingly she will not be competing this year: https://twitter.com/RunEmilyERun/status/1541881175245033472

Gidey hopefully gets the silver or better she deserves that was stolen away