tim does seem like a classy and humble champion. jakob is very robotic and gjert gives off some creepy vibes. tim will be 28 at the next olympics. i dont think he is out of it yet, but clearly the competition has improved since worlds and it will probably be at an even higher level for eugene and paris.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I think Tim should not have took over, but maybe he thought Jakob was going to run a 56.5-57.5 and that was too slow to separate…I think if he wants to lead he should blast the first lap and force a decision. Nobody ever runs faster off of suicidal first laps of 53.5-55. It’s not a style Jakob enjoys either. Too even a race in this one and Jakob was in his wheelhouse. I don’t think this rivalry is done Coevett and definitely not for Kenya. Tim had an uneven season and now will potentially have an improving Keter and Elijah Manangoi (I know you’re dubious) to push him in training. Kipsang is a huge talent and the Kenyan second biggest placer performed well on the circuit before running the most impressive of the top 4 at Trials (Simotwo pipped him but he pushed the pace and led a lot)
Yes, it's true that Tim has likely missed Manangoi as a training partner.
I made that point here previously, and nobody agreed with it.
We didn’t think he was going to fall off a cliff because of it, which was your contention. But it helps to have a guy on your level.
El Keniano wrote:
This is the one gold medal I was hoping for if Kenya won nothing else. Will need a few days to get over this. The 1500m drought continues.
Yeah. I go home deflated, defeated and devastated.
True Elk,
I share you r sentiments.
I had this gold as a lock just like I had Faith's as well.
I also had the steeple women as a lock.
All is well that ends well though. I am still happy and like you and the almost 50 million of us, Kenyans, I go home devastated, deflated and a little disappointed.
We will regroup. The Olympics will be back in three years.
Jakob will be giving Tim that bracelet back in 3 years.
El Keniano wrote:
This is the one gold medal I was hoping for if Kenya won nothing else. Will need a few days to get over this. The 1500m drought continues.
Yeah. I go home deflated, defeated and devastated.
Luckily for you, norwegians love and celebrate (including gjert and the brothers) Tim all the time. If to judge Kenyans on you it seems they despise the norwegians, hopefully one day you and your countrymen will have the same love for Tims competitor as the Norwegians have for Jakobs.
El Keniano wrote:
Oooh. This is interesting. Bernard Ouma and Gert Ingebrigtsen agreed to share pacing duties before hand. And Tim’s hamstring isn’t completely healed.
https://twitter.com/cathal_dennehy/status/1423986557040553992?s=21Ok. I’m over my disappointment mainly because I see Tim is taking it in his stride. No self-imposed time-out necessary. But sadly for Tim, I don’t see anyone beating Elijah Mangoi in Paris. I actually felt worse when Matt Centrowitz upset Asbel.
Its false. Gjert had no clue what he was talking about. He is very clear that he dares not to have anything with his sons tactics. He said and I quote: If I told Jakob what to do, and he failed, I couldnt live with myself. Im nervous as h*ll before every race as Jakob never tells us anything about his tactics.
TeaDrinker wrote:
Jakob will be giving Tim that bracelet back in 3 years.
That's my fear (being Norwegian and that).
TL wrote:
"Tim had an uneven season and now will potentially have an improving Keter and Elijah Manangoi (I know you’re dubious) to push him in training. Kipsang is a huge talent and the Kenyan second biggest placer performed well on the circuit before running the most impressive of the top 4 at Trials (Simotwo pipped him but he pushed the pace and led a lot)"
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I find it completely unlikely that E. Manangoi will come back to his former top level. And Keter has to prove himself. He is 19 and far behind Jakob in the 1500m (3:35.21 which is more than 6.5 seconds slower than Jakob ran at 19).
Kipsang is 24 so it is very unlikely he should have more potential for improvement than Jakob.
I like Timothy and other Kenians too but we have to be realistic!
Kenya passed a law only last year that any athlete having served an anti-doping suspension would never again represent them internationally.
They decided to ignore it in selecting the convicted doper sprinter who went on to break the national record in the heats.
Seems like their tough new anti-doping law has already been forgotten if Manangoi is going to be welcomed back as soon as his suspension is over. Will likely be the same with their even more recent law that introduced prison sentences for convicted dopers.
You want Elijah Manangoi to be imprisoned for messing up his whereabouts? How tyrannical
Coevett wrote:
[quote]El Keniano wrote:
Now Jakob is clearly in a different league. Tim will be fighting with Josh Kerr for silver for the next 3 or 4 years.
Jacob is 1-13 against Tim.
The Unkle wrote:
Coevett wrote:
[quote]El Keniano wrote:
Now Jakob is clearly in a different league. Tim will be fighting with Josh Kerr for silver for the next 3 or 4 years.
Jacob is 1-13 against Tim.
It's only because Jakob was the most gifted prodigy in men's middle-distance history that he was even in the same races as Potato Tim when he was 17 and 18.
What would the Morceli/El G head to head be if El G had been racing him at 17/18 when El G was at his peak?
We know for certain now Jakob was not in his prime 2 years ago at 18 (but still faster than nearly everybody). I bet you won't be counting races between them when Jakob is 27 and Tim in his mid-thirties and washed up.
*when Morceli was at his peak?
El Keniano wrote:
You want Elijah Manangoi to be imprisoned for messing up his whereabouts? How tyrannical
I didn't say that. I said the new law is probably not worth the paper it's printed on.
And no doubt Manangoi is a doper.
4 am traffic jam on the road from Nairobi to Rongei?
Right.
Number 32 wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
Jacob is 1-13 against Tim.
It's only because Jakob was the most gifted prodigy in men's middle-distance history that he was even in the same races as Potato Tim when he was 17 and 18.
What would the Morceli/El G head to head be if El G had been racing him at 17/18 when El G was at his peak?
We know for certain now Jakob was not in his prime 2 years ago at 18 (but still faster than nearly everybody). I bet you won't be counting races between them when Jakob is 27 and Tim in his mid-thirties and washed up.
Good try.
Your reasoning is always flat.
I heard non long ago that Jacob is a copy of his two older brothers.
high school xc coach wrote:
fantastic.
show me the person who has a problem with Potato Tim and I'll show you a miserable person. These things need to be highlighted more to show young athletes what it means to be graceful in defeat.
Totally agree. Tim's combo of world class talent combined with humility and goofiness have always made him likeable to me, his bracelet gesture adds honor and respect to that as well.
I think he realizes Jakob is good for him and vice versa. Would love to see a WR 1500/mile attempt with the two of them, maybe also Manangoi and a few others and some wavelight tek for fun.
For some reason I had thought Tim was older than he is, just 25! He’s not going anywhere. I really think once his hamstring issues have cleared up he and Jakob can go sub 3:26
Passant wrote:
Number 32 wrote:
It's only because Jakob was the most gifted prodigy in men's middle-distance history that he was even in the same races as Potato Tim when he was 17 and 18.
What would the Morceli/El G head to head be if El G had been racing him at 17/18 when El G was at his peak?
We know for certain now Jakob was not in his prime 2 years ago at 18 (but still faster than nearly everybody). I bet you won't be counting races between them when Jakob is 27 and Tim in his mid-thirties and washed up.
Good try.
Your reasoning is always flat.
I heard non long ago that Jacob is a copy of his two older brothers.
What does this even mean??
Florida Boy wrote:
For some reason I had thought Tim was older than he is, just 25! He’s not going anywhere. I really think once his hamstring issues have cleared up he and Jakob can go sub 3:26
He's almost 26 (birthday November). Nearly ever great 1500m runner reached their peak at around 25. Coe was an exception in setting his pb in 1986 but clearly he was at his peak in 81.
His hamstring problem would appear to require quite a bit of rest. I doubt we'll see him again this season (if the hamstring excuse is genuine).