Clayton Murphy disappeared!!!!!!!

Webbster wrote:

pepa pig wrote:

Looked to me like he just had a flat day. I don’t think he had the legs no matter the tactics he used.

I agree, I think this was more of a factor than his tactics. Even in the first lap, he didn't look like he had it.

Murphy was having a tough season prior to the trials. He had to peak for the trials and I assume he did. Trying to hold that until the games, or trying to back off then re-peak, or whatever approach, it had to be very tough.

When I saw his Diamond League races I assumed he was training very hard and racing because tactically he was super but went dead in the final 150 of those races.

I thought he was ready to pop something bigger than the trials and he may have been. I believe you only have 2 moves in an 800 and when you use them pushing and shoving and are sitting last I am not sure how you find additional moves to 1)Get in kicking position and 2)Kick with guys who have been resting for the most part.

Tough race for Murphy yet I am still proud of his effort.

Dobek is not the future of 800m. He is already 27 and I doubt if he can get to low 1.42s. He can be a minor medal threat for 2-3 years and then he will be done. No 30 year old has won gold at 800m in the Olympics. Today was his best chance of gold and he ended up with silver. Don't think he will be winning any gold but he can get some minor medals.

Swaglord_the_realest_1 wrote:

A full form Brazier would've won this one.

I had the same thought. A healthy Brazier would have won. Also, it would have been a much different race with Jewett in it.

It wasn't that bad they all finished the race together. With the slow pace, he needed to be further up. He typically kicks well in the final 100 off of a fast pace & can get himself into a podium spot. Should have thrown that strategy out the window when it went slow, and in a race where everyone is really good.

Can't Imagine not being prepared for a tactical race. He should've pushed the tempo, but that seems like something he doesn't do.

the macdaddy og wrote:

tokyodrifter wrote:

Our US women need to teach our scared, passive men a thing or two

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You mean like Rogers? The bronze medalist that was 20 meters back with 200 to go?

+1

Murphy was no worse off than Rogers coming off the last turn. She had something left and he didn’t. Now she’s celebrated and he’s a bum. That’s too harsh a judgement. I’ve seen him close super well from where he was at the back off the slow pace and place well.

Murphy is a very good runner. An Olympic final that goes out in 53 point and comes back in 51 point is a tough race. The last 200m and the last 100m were very fast by a fine Kenyan Gold medalist who is also a 1:42.05 runner (6th fastest 800m runner - all-time). The Kenyans came to win medals and both ran great races. It just wasn't Clayton's day.

Wise Old Man wrote:Murphy was no worse off than Rogers coming off the last turn. She had something left and he didn’t.

The women went out at 57.8, which is 1:55.6 prace for 800 meters -- as fast as anybody in the world has been able to run over the past three decades. The men's first lap, on the other hand, came out at the pace of an NCAA league meet.

Looked like he wanted to get out of trouble when he realized the pace wasn’t hot. His tactics were most likely leaning towards a fast race.

It’s all good, he’ll bounce back and definitely return. Hope to see him run more 1500s!

Sure it wasn't a great performance but hey man give him a break. Sometimes it's not there, and that is okay. If you think it was such a shameful effort then maybe you should have just run it for him my guy

JohnR wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:Murphy was no worse off than Rogers coming off the last turn. She had something left and he didn’t.

The women went out at 57.8, which is 1:55.6 prace for 800 meters -- as fast as anybody in the world has been able to run over the past three decades. The men's first lap, on the other hand, came out at the pace of an NCAA league meet.

Yeah this is a really important point. Women's and Men's 800m races were completely different. Women went out at PR pace for the women in the field and therefore it was very likely some of them would tie up on the homestretch. Meanwhile the men must've thought they were running the 1500m as the field came through in 54 mid with Murphy dead last.

You're not catching anyone the last 100m when you've spotted the leaders 10+ meters after going out in 54.5 unless you're in 1:38 shape.

wejo wrote:

I'm not sure what he was thinking.

Great season but a slow race you need to be up there.

Also not sure what Amos was thinking. 53 and I don't like his chances.

Wouldn't have helped any. His last 100 wasn't faster than anyone's.

Jimmy Alberione wrote:

Dobek is not the future of 800m. He is already 27 and I doubt if he can get to low 1.42s. He can be a minor medal threat for 2-3 years and then he will be done. No 30 year old has won gold at 800m in the Olympics. Today was his best chance of gold and he ended up with silver. Don't think he will be winning any gold but he can get some minor medals.

He ended up with a bronze, not a silver.

CalBears44 wrote:

JohnR wrote:

The women went out at 57.8, which is 1:55.6 prace for 800 meters -- as fast as anybody in the world has been able to run over the past three decades. The men's first lap, on the other hand, came out at the pace of an NCAA league meet.

Yeah this is a really important point. Women's and Men's 800m races were completely different. Women went out at PR pace for the women in the field and therefore it was very likely some of them would tie up on the homestretch. Meanwhile the men must've thought they were running the 1500m as the field came through in 54 mid with Murphy dead last.

You're not catching anyone the last 100m when you've spotted the leaders 10+ meters after going out in 54.5 unless you're in 1:38 shape.

Good point. Not so much only Rogers accelerating as the others coming back to her off a fast pace. Thanks for the education on this one.

El Keniano wrote:

wejo wrote:

I'm not sure what he was thinking.

Great season but a slow race you need to be up there.

Also not sure what Amos was thinking. 53 and I don't like his chances.

Wouldn't have helped any. His last 100 wasn't faster than anyone's.

It was this. Yes, 100% he ran a bad race, but that's not why he lost, he lost because he didn't have the speed. Those two things together made for a bad day out.

Murphy ran almost the entire race from lane 2. He actually had a decent enough kick to be a factor but he ran an extra 5-10 meters by the time he took the last turn. By contrast, Dobek is in lane 1 the entire way and gets the bronze.

Murphy should have known better than to let people line up to his left on the first lap and keep him in lane 2 for so long. He should have pushed the pace and gone to the front early instead of hanging out in lane 2 waiting for someone to let him in.

Yeah, anyone comparing Rogers tactics in the women's race to Murphy's is an idiot. Athing wouldn't have been that far behinf Murphy's 54.5 first lap.

Passant wrote:

Each time the arrogance is wiped I'm for it.

Pissant dislikes Murphy because Murphy is white. You’re a good little woke boy. Keep thinking as your masters have taught you. Murphy simply ran a tactically poor race. Everyone can kick

Other people claim Brazier would have won for sure. No one can know for sure. What we do know is Brazier has flopped in two straight Olympic trials. The claim of a broken foot was simply an excuse. Pure theater in making sure to be in the bg of pics in a cast. Sure, 1:45 coasting in a heat on a busted foot. A month back someone said that Brazier putting on a cast and getting a picture of himself on crutches is the equivalent of a HS kid grabbing his hamstring claiming a pulled muscle when in fact the kid is fine and just embarrassed someone ran by him.

The slow raced screwed up everyone, and allowed a likely doper (Rotich) to nab a medal. The race was perfect for a guy like Korir. He controlled it and won. The pace was not good for Amos, Murphy, Tuka.

In before everyone screams bloody murder defending Brazier, saying he would have won without a doubt, Murphy bad, Rotich good and clean, and being woke like Pissant.

he is a moran for sitting in lane 2 like a dumba$$. you really think you're gonna run around everybody bud? you're not that fast. he ran one of THE dumbest races i've ever seen.

kenya must by hyped to go 1-2 considering how owned they've gotten in other races so far.