Cole Hocker is unvaccinated going into Olympic Games

Rooting less for him now.

The ‘I had covid’ story is as patent as the Houlihan burrito story.

Be an adult get vaccinated.

But why? His doctor probably explained to him that he has a higher risk of complications from the vaccine than from Covid even though both are essentially zero.

one of the healthiest dudes in the world isn't vaccinated from a virus that nobody under the age of 837 and isn't already half dead even gets sick from, oh the humanity

Wundrin wrote:

Johnson Bros,

Did you sit in on the Oregon conference call featuring Cole Hocker. Is there any way you can provide a transcript, or a link, to the call? Not much info on the man, and couldn't dredge up much information on the scintillating "Is Cole Hocker Update" thread.

Jonathan Gault was on it. He'll be writing about it i believe.

Is it true he already had Covid? He certainly didn't miss time or have a drop in performance. If he did have Covid, I wouldn't get the vaccine if I was him until after the Olympics.

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To all the assholes ripping a young healthy kid for not getting the vaccine (and don't call me an antivaxxer - I've begged a few people I know to get the vaccine including one who is under 35 today), please tell me if you were him when you would have gotten it? From the tweet, above, it wasn't a seamless experience for the elites. My wife was bedridden for a day.

From a coaching standpoint, I'd say, take the first shot the day after NCAA indoors. Of course, people his age weren't eligible way back then.

I was desperate to take the vaccine and didn't get my first shot until april 10th and my 2nd on May 1. if I was him, I wouldn't want to take it 2 weeks before Pac 12 (May 1st). So if you don't take it then, then you certainly aren't going to take it until after the Trials. So maybe he could have gotten it the day after the Trials as I think he took a little down time?

But at the same time, if hasn't gotten covid, to be honest, I think the logical thing for him at that point is to think, "I've made it for like 17 months, I'll just go one more and get it after the Olympics." And if he has already gotten covid, then it's even more of a no-brainer.

So while I'm very glad i got the vaccine, I think he'ss actually probably being quite locgical in not getting at this point as there wan't an obvious time when to get it.

If Cole Hocker tests positive, he during the time that he is supposed to run, he may not be allowed to compete so someone could replace him. USATF should have required everyone to be vaccinated in order to compete for the US in the Olympics.

Rojo is completely correct. Hocker is making the correct decision for himself. The vax only had me down with a slight fever for a day, but I had a ridiculously jacked heart rate for 7-10 days and was running 1:30 per minute slower han usual.

why would a 20 year old kid, in perfect health, take that risk in the middle of the biggest competitive cycle of his life.

And on top of that, he might have already had covid??? The push for infected people to also get the vaccine is one of the most ridiculous things in all this covid drama. Gotta get those jab numbers up though!

Rojo is correct. There is a world where he indeed got COVID before the vaccine was easily available to someone in his age group(April). At that point, docs would actually advise him not to get it for a bit. This happened with someone I know. Given Hockers age and the timing of his season it’s be pretty defensible then to hold off until his season is over. I am 100% pro-vax but his risk level is very low at getting it again. As a high level athlete timing up the vaccines could get dicey and i can respect him waiting. I would feel much different if he didn’t have natural immunity from getting COVID.

The least vaccinated racial population in the USA are African Americans, who are overwhelmingly registered Democrats. But since that doesn’t fit the narrative, let’s ignore the facts and blame ‘Republicans’. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html

I don’t don’t know what the rules will be but I would get vaxed just to “check all the boxes”.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this turns into some big thing at the last minute and they tell him, “sorry but you need to be vaxed to get on/off this plane.”

I didn’t plan on getting vaxed but getting 2 shots was a lot easier than dealing with the nagging I would have gotten otherwise.

This is a big moment. Check all the boxes.

to everyone who thinks supporting trump means no vaccine

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210317/trump-urges-americans-get-covid-vaccine

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Rojo is correct. There is a world where he indeed got COVID before the vaccine was easily available to someone in his age group(April). At that point, docs would actually advise him not to get it for a bit. This happened with someone I know. Given Hockers age and the timing of his season it’s be pretty defensible then to hold off until his season is over. I am 100% pro-vax but his risk level is very low at getting it again. As a high level athlete timing up the vaccines could get dicey and i can respect him waiting. I would feel much different if he didn’t have natural immunity from getting COVID.

One issue is that he can still test positive even if he has had the vaccine or if he has had covid already. If I were him I would do everything possible to avoid getting the virus again. Not necessarily because it will make him sick but because a positive test could derail his chances of competing. If that means that wearing a mask around people I would do that or whatever else it takes.

His teammate Cooper teare, California native and 99% chance dem, just got his covid shot, so coach Thomas probably had his guys hold out until after the season to limit potential effects on training

A huge motivation for my high school athletes to get vaxxed this past spring was to NOT have to quarantine if exposed to someone who had Covid. I'm not sure of the Olympic procedures, but if Hocker already had Covid he most likely wouldn't need to quarantine due to exposure as well.

As far as the vaccine messing you up - I had plenty of kids run the day after AND the day of getting their second shot, and no one had any difficulty. These were HS kids, not elite athletes, but they were all tough enough to handle it. The one athlete that had heart issues shortly after vaccination was one that had Covid previously, and we weren't sure if the disease or some reaction to the vaccine was to blame.

The math bares it out - vaccines work and they benefit everyone, not just the person getting vaccinated. We've got a lot of anti-vaxxers that are also bad at math on this board.

1. Tokyo should have required vaccine

2. Most people have no adverse reactions to vaccine

3. Everyone should do their part to reduce the risk of getting covid

4. Anyone that says im 20 years old and am not gonna die if i get it does not care about people they may infect and potentially kill

5. if we all want covid to end we should all do everything possible to end it

6. the whole trump family got the vaccine so follow your leader trumpers

7.even if people have adverse reactions to vaccine it still reduces your chances or dying or having a bad case

Knowing what we know now, that the Olympics are not letting VACCINATED athletes compete that test positive (despite having virtually zero chance of actually being sick or even spreading the virus), it would have made the most sense for a prospective Olympic athlete to never get vaccinated to not let it impact training. One of my biggest motivations for getting the vaccine was to get back to a normal life, without restrictions, lockdowns, masks, or fear. Yes, I understood that all of those things were in place to protect people, but I also understood that they were measures for until the vaccine was ready.

The Olympics are depriving these athletes of a normal life and of their livelihood. If I were one of the vaccinated athletes like Katie Lou Samuelson and others, I would be screaming bloody murder on the news as loud as I could. There would be lawsuits.

Fuuuuuuck the IOC and fuuuuuuuuck Japan. They are ruining athlete’s lives WHO DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.

e h wrote:

His teammate Cooper teare, California native and 99% chance dem, just got his covid shot, so coach Thomas probably had his guys hold out until after the season to limit potential effects on training

It is probably no more complicated than this. I’ve no problem with this from a running perspective, given the small window he had.

He’ll likely stay in Oregon and get his vaccine as required before the Fall Semester.

bah bah wrote:

The least vaccinated racial population in the USA are African Americans, who are overwhelmingly registered Democrats. But since that doesn’t fit the narrative, let’s ignore the facts and blame ‘Republicans’.

You are looking at the wrong numbers. If you want to know which group is contributing the most to the spread of the virus, you can't just look at the (un)vaccination rate. How much each group spreads the virus depends on the total number who are unvaccinated, not just the rate.

As the article points out, 55% of whites, and 66% of blacks are unvaccinated. To see how much each group contributes to the spread of the virus, those rates need to be weighted by each group's share of the population. Since whites are 60% of the population, and blacks are 14% of the population, unvaccinated whites are 33% of the total population, while unvaccinated blacks make up only 9% of the population. In otherwords, there are almost 4x as many uvaccinated whites as there are unvaccinated blacks. So whites are contributing far more to the spread of the virus than blacks.

Remember: Mother Nature doesn't do narratives; Mother Nature does math.

RIP Hocker wrote:

Oh no! According to the COVID fearmongers Cole Hocker has about a 96% chance of dying in Tokyo and a 100% chance of killing at least 16 grandmas during his short time there! What a travesty, to lose such a promising athlete at such a young age!

Once again another dumb a$$ comment from an idiot on letsrun.

Hocker is an idiot for not being vaccinated. He can catch it and pass it on to others who will die. That is exactly how millions passed it on to 630K who died and the millions who were sick. 99.5% of those dying from the Delta variant are those who are unvaccinated!

If you aren't vaccinated by now, you are a complete idiot.