This is practice. We’re talking about practice. On a warm afternoon at Teller Farm. Unless you’ve run Teller at a fast clip and held your pace, you cannot fully appreciate what he just did. In practice. He doesn’t need to retch at the end. He doesn’t need to race. His race is Sapporo. That’s it. This was practice. And he showed up.
MagicShoes#16 wrote:
This is practice. We’re talking about practice. On a warm afternoon at Teller Farm. Unless you’ve run Teller at a fast clip and held your pace, you cannot fully appreciate what he just did. In practice. He doesn’t need to retch at the end. He doesn’t need to race. His race is Sapporo. That’s it. This was practice. And he showed up.
all i could hear in my head was allen iverson reading this...
Thank you for posting the video, love to watch top guys going hard.
Having said that;
I do not know Lee the coach, but he seems to be all over the place, alternating from this workout doesn’t mean anything , to quoting course records, to saying don’t push to saying if you don’t push it isn’t a top ten finish .
Jesus!
The coach Lee seems to be doing a kabuki theater for the cameras.
It’s really kind of embarrassing.
As for Riley, he’s just not fit enough.
In honesty, I’ve cruised workouts with Lindsay, Mavis, Steve Francis and Flanagan in Boulder that were way smoother than Riley grinding out 5:15 pace for the last three miles...
And Barrios put everybody’s workouts to shame when he got to town.
Cool story, bro. Riley and Barrios are the only Olympians out of all the names you just dropped, but you knew that. In honesty, Lee and Jake have at least as good of a record working together as your pack did back during the Reagan Administration. Whatever he's saying to his athlete took him from completely broken leaving Michigan to starting from scratch after surgery in 2018 to a PR in 2019 to the Olympic team. This didn't just start last week.
It was a hilly AF climbing a lot dirt course at altitude. So I don’t think you can draw much without knowing that course and I would listen to Lee Troop, his coach.
If you’ve never been to altitude you probably wouldn’t get it….Have you ever tried to race the buffalo ranch university of Colorado cross country course (I.e. Coach Wetmore’s time trial course)? The 8K there appears to be similar to rain but is not as hilly as this workout Jake did and I can tell you that that 8k is hard as balls (I tried it) not to mention the race times on that 8k are like two minutes lower than a sea level 8k course no joke real talk bro!!!
^similar ***terrain
Altitude: 10s/mi?
Dirt: 5s/mi?
Hills: 5s/mi? 10s/mi? I do not know how steep the climb is.
Training through a 4:50 tempo seems like a fair workout. Not every workout needs to test your limits.
Let's also not overlook the fact that he ran this workout in On Cloudbooms, one of the worst shoes of the past decade.
I don't agree wrote:
jonathon wrote:
Are you talking about that long hilly tempo run he did on sweat elite?
These are his last work-outs in a marathon build-up. They are usually not super great work-outs. Any marathoner will tell you that their worst work-outs are usually the last ones in their training cycle. Marathon fitness isn't like shorter events.
I don't actually agree with this, I've run between 2:10-2:15 (don't want to give specifics because I don't like drawing any potential attention to myself) and some of my best workouts ever were at the end of a marathon buildup. Sure, sometimes you don't have a great one, but if you don't have any that somewhat indicate a fast marathon then you should be worried. I'm talking a long effort at or near a good marathon pace. You don't have to be right on, but if you are struggling to run a 10+ mile workout within 10 seconds of your supposed marathon pace then you should be a little bit worried when you're a month or less from the marathon. I do not know what this workout was that the post is about, but it sounds like it was a longer workout and that Jake didn't look great and it was also not very fast. We're in the home stretch here, you should be able to run near marathon pace for these workouts even with all the mileage.
Now to the person saying you'd be surprised if he runs 2:12, look at the weather. He has run 2:10 twice, both on cooler weather days. This is going to be 75 degrees and 80% humidity, he's not going to be anywhere near 2:10, very few people will. If he does somehow run 2:12, he'll probably be around 10th-15th place and I'd call that a solid showing.
+1 Impressive, and going with the mystery maybe you’re a 2:11-2:13 marathoner, past or present. Your writing style is also impressive and as fluid as your ability to run “5 mins miles” aerobically. Kudos to you, Sir!
I agree with your post and Jake reminds me of Steve Spence, a grinder, not blessed with great speed or talent, who placed well in World Champs (3rd) and O.G in early 90’s.
Didn't his coach say his splits were around what he ran before he ran 2:10 (x2)...seems like the workout was just fine.