babe ruth ftw wrote:
Disagree. Ruth leads thus far in hot dogs eaten, beers drank, and statutory rape accusations, by a longshot. But Ohtani’s just starting his MLB career.
Babe Ruth was also better at being shot in the leg while fleeing a Puerto Rican brothel after a failed rape attempt and missing most of the following season in the midst of his prime. What a guy.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
At the All-Star Break, Ohtani...
1) Was batting .279
2) Had 33 home runs
Now, on Sept. 23, Ohtani sits at...
1) .257 batting average
2) 45 home runs
Anyone still think he's better than Babe Ruth?
He's basically another Josh Hamilton.
So..no. Of course not
I agree with you on the NO, but Ohtani WISHES he were as good as Josh Hamilton was. Hamilton had a career .290 batting average, and he hit .359 one season. Just a shame that both the beginning and end of Hamilton's career were ruined by drugs. He had Hall of Fame talent. I don't think Ohtani has Hall of Fame talent.
roho the ho wrote:
babe ruth ftw wrote:
Disagree. Ruth leads thus far in hot dogs eaten, beers drank, and statutory rape accusations, by a longshot. But Ohtani’s just starting his MLB career.
Babe Ruth was also better at being shot in the leg while fleeing a Puerto Rican brothel after a failed rape attempt and missing most of the following season in the midst of his prime. What a guy.
Never hear that. Googled it and found nothing. Reviewed his year by year stats and art not time did he miss most of any season.
It’s in the Ken Burns baseball doc. He may not have missed most of the season, but he missed the first part of a season in the 1920s due to it. Online it’s been buried by all the “called shot bvll jive. Babe Ruth lore is about as believable as baseball fan Fauci’s pressers.
No, and he will not win the mvp either. Ohtani has been flailing lately.
Flagpole wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
He's basically another Josh Hamilton.
So..no. Of course not
I agree with you on the NO, but Ohtani WISHES he were as good as Josh Hamilton was. Hamilton had a career .290 batting average, and he hit .359 one season. Just a shame that both the beginning and end of Hamilton's career were ruined by drugs. He had Hall of Fame talent. I don't think Ohtani has Hall of Fame talent.
I kind of agree. He is decent on the mound and at bat; that is it.
Not so Fast! wrote:
sympathetic lefty wrote:
A junk journeyman 5th outfielder today is definitely better than Babe Ruth. Ruth competed in an era where:
- Pitchers were overworked. 84 pitchers in 1927 threw more innings than the pitcher who threw the most innings in 1927. Since there were only 16 teams in 1927, that's 5 pitchers per team - so let's say that every starter in 1927 threw more innings than every starter in 2019. And some of the 1927 pitchers (the best guys) were hitting 300+ innings whereas the most in 2019 was 119 innings. That level of pitching can't be better than single A minor leagues today, no way no how.
- Players in 1927 were amateurs. They worked jobs in the offseason. Sounds a lot like...minor league players today. It's just not possible that the caliber of play is going to be anywhere near today's MLB level where professionals make tens to hundreds of millions of dollars to focus on the sport.
- Smaller talent pool in 1927 with no black, Latin American, or other international players. Who were the marquee guys at the All-Star Game this week? Ohtani, Tatis, Guerrero. Of course there are huge white stars like DeGrom and Trout, but if you remove every non-white player from today's game, I'd argue the overall level of play instantly drops half the distance to AAA.
So yeah, Ruth was like a AAA guy playing among A dudes. He was clearly ahead of his time. Or it's like some dude who dominated the hell out of high school or college ball - a mammoth among peers, but drop them into today's major leagues the next day and they can't compete. It's a whole 'nother level and some guys can improve to make it at the MLB level and some never get there.
They had Latino players they didn't Latino players with known African ancestry, it's a myth that is never corrected. White Latino players were in the majors during Ruth's time.
It's never corrected because the white Latinos were a tiny proportion. The criticism that Ruth didn't have to face the depth of Latinos and African Americans that he would have to face in today's game is absolutely valid. Latinos made up 0.7% of the league in 1947 (12 years after Ruth retired) and they made up 27.4% as of 2016.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2016/Wise Old Man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ohtani has had ONE good half a season in his career so far. No, he's not already better than Babe Ruth. He's not better than anyone in the Hall of Fame yet.
Anybody who thinks Ohtani is a better hitter than Bonds was does not know the first thing about baseball. Bonds had a multiple “half seasons” better than Ohtani as a hitter. What’s the best half season anyway? Is that like the best opening 800 of a 1500? Who cares.
Bonds was super juiced !
i ok sch wrote:
Every MLB player now is better than Babe Ruth.
We romanticize Ruth because he was the first big star and he was head and shoulders above his peers but the level of play would be a joke compared to today.
You underestimate Ruth's natural skill here/ Had he been playing today he would be doing everything that everyone else was doing and would have still killed it. He was a cut above the rest then and he would still be now.
Contextually, Ohtani will never mean to baseball what Ruth did in his era. Ruth transformed what it meant to be a great hitter. There were no real home run sluggers before he came along. Everybody prior to him was a slap hitter.
Now, in terms of performance, is he better than Ruth? Get back to me in 10-15 years and we'll see if Ohtani can pitch and hit at his level for that entire time, and then maybe we can argue he's on Ruth's level.
What made Babe Ruth in large part was that he did what he did for years. Ohtani's done it for a couple, AND he's been too injured to pitch for some of that time. I don't think Ruth was ever too injured to pitch when asked.
Flagpole wrote:
Ohtani has had ONE good half a season in his career so far. No, he's not already better than Babe Ruth. He's not better than anyone in the Hall of Fame yet.
Actually, he has had 2 GREAT halves in a season.
Flagpole wrote:
At the All-Star Break, Ohtani...
1) Was batting .279
2) Had 33 home runs
Now, on Sept. 23, Ohtani sits at...
1) .257 batting average
2) 45 home runs
Anyone still think he's better than Babe Ruth?
50 home runs in a season is pretty good for a very good pitcher.
Flagpole wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
He's basically another Josh Hamilton.
So..no. Of course not
I agree with you on the NO, but Ohtani WISHES he were as good as Josh Hamilton was. Hamilton had a career .290 batting average, and he hit .359 one season. Just a shame that both the beginning and end of Hamilton's career were ruined by drugs. He had Hall of Fame talent. I don't think Ohtani has Hall of Fame talent.
Ohtani might get 50 home runs this season with an OPS of .956. Pitching 9-2. Those ARE Hall of Fame stats.
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I agree with you on the NO, but Ohtani WISHES he were as good as Josh Hamilton was. Hamilton had a career .290 batting average, and he hit .359 one season. Just a shame that both the beginning and end of Hamilton's career were ruined by drugs. He had Hall of Fame talent. I don't think Ohtani has Hall of Fame talent.
Ohtani might get 50 home runs this season with an OPS of .956. Pitching 9-2. Those ARE Hall of Fame stats.
Maybe?
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ohtani has had ONE good half a season in his career so far. No, he's not already better than Babe Ruth. He's not better than anyone in the Hall of Fame yet.
Actually, he has had 2 GREAT halves in a season.
No he hasn't.
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I agree with you on the NO, but Ohtani WISHES he were as good as Josh Hamilton was. Hamilton had a career .290 batting average, and he hit .359 one season. Just a shame that both the beginning and end of Hamilton's career were ruined by drugs. He had Hall of Fame talent. I don't think Ohtani has Hall of Fame talent.
Ohtani might get 50 home runs this season with an OPS of .956. Pitching 9-2. Those ARE Hall of Fame stats.
Sally, the ONLY area you have consistently shown not to be a moron has to do with baseball, but man, you are falling down here. Snap out of it.
35 home runs and 100 RBI in a season are Hall of Fame stats if extrapolated out to an entire career. You just can't legitimately mention Hall of Fame based on one good season. LOTS of players hit 50+ homeruns who aren't in the Hall of Fame (and shouldn't be):
George Foster
Brady Anderson
Cecil Fielder
Roger Maris
And lots more
You are as clueless about Covid as you are about baseball.
1. Babe Ruth would benefit from modern nutrition and conditioning. He didn’t seem to have much of either in the 1920’s.
2. Ruth would be encouraged to cut back on the drinking, cigars and partying. If he failed, he’d likely be out of baseball. If he succeeded, he’d be a better player.
3. Ruth used a 40-ounce bat in 1927. He used a 46-oz bat to hit the first homer in Yankee stadium. Mo Vaughn used a 36-oz bat, and most players today use a 32-oz bat. If he were alive today, he would use a light bat as players do today to compensate for the modern pitchers' heat.
4. Ruth lived during the dead ball era, despite that he still hit moonshots. If he was in his prime today, no doubt he would be hitting drives just as far as Judge or Stanton. Ruth was 6'2" and around 220-240lbs, so he had the size & strength all along. Plus with his outsized personality, he would have been a modern media sensation (think Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan level) the king of endorsements,/TV commercials all year round.
He is a unanimous MVP is what he is.
TypicalLRPoster wrote:
He is a unanimous MVP is what he is.
Yes he is.
But, his injury history does not look good for long term excellence. However, he has made some lifestyle changes that may work. Still, this season will likely be an outlier.
Ruth had many better seasons overall, and Mike Trout has had many seasons of equivalent or better excellence.
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