BREAKING NEWS !!! - Mboma (48.54) WITHDRAWN from the 400 in the Olympics (Yes, Really)

So many on this site, and certainly the Brojos, appear to believe that Shelby Houlihan is a victim, despite it being clear that the preponderance of the evidence points to intentional wrongdoing on her part, and yet there is not a word of doubt about whether there could be a mistake in determining the gender of Christine Mboma, who although likely is indeed, due to no choice on her part, precluded from competing in her chosen event, which may indeed be fair, but she is likely much more of a victim than Houlihan, as there is no evidence I’ve seen that Mboma knowingly was trying to cheat.

rojo wrote:

I am going to delete the other thread on this topic. To all of thsoe who said it was unconscionable that we were allowing people to discuss what was going on, I don't expect to receive an apology.

Yes it was a sensitive issue. But it also was a very important one just weeks out before the Olympics.

What happened yesterday had never remotely been seen before by an 18-year old woman. If you didn't wonder what was going on - hypernadrogenism, doping or the greatest phenom in history by a long shot - then you aren't a true student of the sport.

You don't deserve an apology (yet). Nothing has been confirmed. For all anyone knows, they have been provisionally withdrawn until further evidence can be gathered. When someone issues an official statement then the LRC trolls can go on their victory lap

thermann9 wrote:

There should be events that allow intersex athletes to compete, but only on a level playing field. It's not been fair to female 800 meter and 1500 meter athletes for years and now it's effecting sprints.

So yes, let them compete but just add a non-binary event to an itinerary.

Absolutely unconscionable to allow them to compete against natural female athletes.

it does seem that there are enough of them now to make their own category.

none of those things you are comparing are at all like the other. stop obsessing over what you think is in other people's heads. these are issues only in your mind, and other people like you.

High hopes wrote:

rojo wrote:

I am going to delete the other thread on this topic. To all of thsoe who said it was unconscionable that we were allowing people to discuss what was going on, I don't expect to receive an apology.

Yes it was a sensitive issue. But it also was a very important one just weeks out before the Olympics.

What happened yesterday had never remotely been seen before by an 18-year old woman. If you didn't wonder what was going on - hypernadrogenism, doping or the greatest phenom in history by a long shot - then you aren't a true student of the sport.

You don't deserve an apology (yet). Nothing has been confirmed. For all anyone knows, they have been provisionally withdrawn until further evidence can be gathered. When someone issues an official statement then the LRC trolls can go on their victory lap

There will be no official statement much like with Seyni.

When I first saw the mboma 400m video, my "not a girl" radar started beeping. Looks like a case of internal testes like castor.

That's not why those events are included. Those events are included because those are the events which were researched for the court proceeding.

Agree. I am 100% against her or any other hypergender person competing against women. However, they did not ask to be born the way they are and they are human beings. The best thing that could happen is for them to stop protesting to be able to compete against women because they know its not fair. However, a separate class could be formed for them to compete against each other.

LibertyLane wrote:

When I first saw the mboma 400m video, my "not a girl" radar started beeping. Looks like a case of internal testes like castor.

Well when I saw Houlihan run 14:23, my doping radar started beeping. So there you have it. Same with Rupp winning silver at 10000m, Mo Farah at NOP, Cheptegei 12:35 and 26:11….I could go on and on.

fada tyme wrote:

High hopes wrote:

You don't deserve an apology (yet). Nothing has been confirmed. For all anyone knows, they have been provisionally withdrawn until further evidence can be gathered. When someone issues an official statement then the LRC trolls can go on their victory lap

There will be no official statement much like with Seyni.

That's correct. Statements, if any, typically come from the athletes themselves, like Semenya, Wambui, and Niyonsaba did back in 2019.

HashTag wrote:

LibertyLane wrote:

When I first saw the mboma 400m video, my "not a girl" radar started beeping. Looks like a case of internal testes like castor.

Well when I saw Houlihan run 14:23, my doping radar started beeping. So there you have it. Same with Rupp winning silver at 10000m, Mo Farah at NOP, Cheptegei 12:35 and 26:11….I could go on and on.

As a matter of fact it did.

petemths70 wrote:

Agree. I am 100% against her or any other hypergender person competing against women. However, they did not ask to be born the way they are and they are human beings. The best thing that could happen is for them to stop protesting to be able to compete against women because they know its not fair. However, a separate class could be formed for them to compete against each other.

It seems like there are enough intersex women, at least from 100 - 1500, that they could start having their own events.

Mboma vs Semenya in the 600. Who would win? I'd like to know.

Not Surprised At All wrote:

thermann9 wrote:

There should be events that allow intersex athletes to compete, but only on a level playing field. It's not been fair to female 800 meter and 1500 meter athletes for years and now it's effecting sprints.

So yes, let them compete but just add a non-binary event to an itinerary.

Absolutely unconscionable to allow them to compete against natural female athletes.

Prediction - In the not too distant future, there will be a 3rd category added to the Olympics for intersex and transgender athletes.

But the the trans would win all and then a fourth category; and then a fifth etc .

Its refreshing that my reasearch caused a whole article to be written

I'm just here to point out that the limit for intersex testosterone is 5nmol/L and for transgender MtoF it's 10nmol/L.

mathematics wrote:

I'm just here to point out that the limit for intersex testosterone is 5nmol/L and for transgender MtoF it's 10nmol/L.

Transgender should be banned from the olympics. Intersex should be banned from the olympics. Period and in all events. It is better to be unfair to the minority of DSD and Trans than be unfair to all other women

It may or may not be racist.

There may be the possibility that xy dsd hyperandrogynous is more prevalent in African countries than elsewhere.

.....Regardless, allowing these athletes to compete against xx athletes is unfair.

It must be acknowledged that the female classification in sports is established for the sake of fairness to them, period. All other classification defaults to the "open" classification, the "men's" category, which is available to all, without limitation for entry.....except the obvious time or mark pre-qualifications.

It's disingenuous to say that Caster or Mboma are barred from competing.

They still can

mathematics wrote:

I'm just here to point out that the limit for intersex testosterone is 5nmol/L and for transgender MtoF it's 10nmol/L.

Only biological women should be competing in women's sporting events.