Why people hating on Hocker? Talented young Runner who seems like a good guy!!!

Maybe he's a nice dude, but he just oozes douche.

Hocker is going to send Jakob home devastated in the 1500, but Jakob will win the 5000.

AP5000 wrote:

Because people like you who think he has a chance to medal in this Olympics. He has no chance. You have no clue how many dozen of runners are significantly faster than him around the world.

Not like he just ran down the defending Olympic champ after running on the outside of the turn.

Don't forget that Hocker has a 3:50 mile PR which converts to a 3:33 1500m. And at 20 he still has upside potential. Under ideal conditions with pacer, cooler temps, I would say right now he could run 3:30-3:31. Several times during the final Hocker was running up on people but was boxed in. He was looking for somewhere to run and could no doubt go faster. Ingebritsen's best strategy for gold would be to time trial from the gun and run sub 3:30.

UltraDude wrote:

Don't forget that Hocker has a 3:50 mile PR which converts to a 3:33 1500m. And at 20 he still has upside potential. Under ideal conditions with pacer, cooler temps, I would say right now he could run 3:30-3:31. Several times during the final Hocker was running up on people but was boxed in. He was looking for somewhere to run and could no doubt go faster. Ingebritsen's best strategy for gold would be to time trial from the gun and run sub 3:30.

I actually think Jakob's better move is to go from 700 or 800 out. I'm sure people will bring up his 800 PB or whatever, but I think Jakob can run a 1:47 to close out a 1500 running the shortest line and squeezing down the pace. Make the others fight for position and run extra distance. I don't think all of them will have the same amount in the tank the last 150 that they've shown in these races.

UltraDude wrote:

Don't forget that Hocker has a 3:50 mile PR which converts to a 3:33 1500m. And at 20 he still has upside potential. Under ideal conditions with pacer, cooler temps, I would say right now he could run 3:30-3:31. Several times during the final Hocker was running up on people but was boxed in. He was looking for somewhere to run and could no doubt go faster. Ingebritsen's best strategy for gold would be to time trial from the gun and run sub 3:30.

Hockey’s talent is remarkable, but he needs to run a much better race in Tokyo. Wow, he was in a bad spot with 400 to go. He was able to out talent this group, but that won’t happen at the next level. Also, it seemed that Centro thought he had the race locked up with 150 m to go, and he just wasn’t ready for Hocker in the moment. Run that trials race again 10 times and Centro wins 7-8/10 times. Finally, if Hocker could learn not to flail his upper body around so much, he might even be a little faster, though being faster than he is now is hard to imagine!

Professional_amateur wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You had to go back 70 years to find someone who looked as bad?

Sifan Hassan.

I would agree - although I think Hocker is even a tad worse. But it appears it isnt necessarily a hindrance - just not a pleasure to watch.

no man buns wrote:

Very disrespectful to put his fingers to his lips. at the finish. Maybe a little more humility is in order. In the larger scheme of things NCAA 1500m champ is not that big a deal. That, and the man bun.

Look up humility in Webster’s, bruh. Do you know how many times Matt Centrowitz has done something ballsout arrogant at the line?

I like Hocker and I hope that he ends up on the team. It’s going to be interesting to see how he does over the next few years.

That said, I think some don’t like Hocker because they lump him in with Cooper Teare and his childish posse. Those guys are clowns and I would like to see Hocker not be closely associated with them but that isn’t possible.

I do see that the man crush bromance between Copper and Evert Silva seems to be continuing. When the camera panned over to where they were sitting trackside, the two of them looked cozy together.

truthman432 wrote:

MidFootStriker wrote:

Obviously he has a chance! He just ran down the reigning Olympic champion from 20 back. Are you really that Clueless? Has the best kick of anyone in the world, at this distance. The race will be slow and tactical and he'll win a medal. and he'll do it again in three years from now and then again and go down as the greatest American middle distance Runner

Aw yes, the reigning champion that struggles to run sub 4. Next argument please

That would make sense if this were a time trial, but that’s not the sport. It’s a race. They don’t shoot free throws in the mile race either. Nor do they deadlift. None of those measurable results count in a race. You don’t get extra credit for going faster.

First man across the finish line. Olympic gold medal winner and a guy who just beat him. That’s all there is to it. I feel like you should already know this.

no man buns wrote:

Very disrespectful to put his fingers to his lips. at the finish. Maybe a little more humility is in order. In the larger scheme of things NCAA 1500m champ is not that big a deal. That, and the man bun.

You have every right to your opinion. You have every right to express your opinion. It’s also true that nobody gives a f$ck what you think.

Olympic record

Men 3:32.07 Noah Ngeny (2000)

go army wrote:

You have every right to your opinion. You have every right to express your opinion. It’s also true that nobody gives a f$ck what you think.

Awwww, the poor little fanboi has his panties all in a wad, poor little baby…

maybe hocker should just come out and concede the gold to Jakob Ingebrigtsen who has super powers

asiva wrote:

2011 - Centro

Won NCAA

Won US Champs by beating the favorite and one of the best tactical racers and kickers of all time

Had to chase the standard in Europe after winning US Champs

Won bronze in the WC

2021 - Hocker

Won NCAA

Won US Champs by beating the favorite and one of the best tactical racers of all time

Did not have standard, needed to rely on world ranking (hopefully)

Olympics ????

See any similarities?

Come on man. I would be stoked if Hocker brought the US another medal but this just isn't honest reasoning. Even after everything Centro did in 2011 the world medal was a huge jump. This is like when people say that since Webb dropped like 5 seconds off his PR to run 3:53 in HS that every HS 3:58 runner has the same shot. It's just not the case.

Ill tell u why people hate. Because he associates himself with Teare and those other tools in the youtube videos.

So let me get this straight.

The Olympics is a different game, because you have to be blazing fast the last 400, in a blazing fast race? No, wait, I meant a slow race, because it's tactical, but you have to be blazing fast the last 400?

And Hocker just ran down the Olympic champion, yet he's not a contender?

Because everyone on this message board hates themselves. Let the pain fester. It's hard to have mudita when you despise the voice talking to yourself right now.

where's the love wrote:

Why aren't more people stoked about possibly the best young American middle distance runner ever? Seems weird, from people saying he's not going to make the team to saying he has no chance to medal, to he's peaked too soon

His blazing kick and Nimble style seems well suited to tactical races and potential medals at 1500 through 5K, why is everybody being so bitter

The 2021 trials was different for me. Not enthused to keep up. The presentation was kind of consistently there but it sounded overwhelming to watch the whole thing and keep up with the dates. New style of results presentation is also clunky. Hard to navigate. Usability not inherent or predictable. Hit the back button for an event or to shut the navbar and nothing there to keep you on the page. I degress. Maybe old.

So I caught up with the youtube version today and yes enthusiastic about Hocker. He is a fierce runner at the end. He moves well.