Hocker vs Ingebrigtsen in Tokyo

I’ll just add that Kerr ran an almost identical final 200 in the British trials as Hocker off a race 5 seconds slower.

AP5000 wrote:

You can't reason with these delusional clowns. Jakob is on a completely different plane that hocker. The difference of 7 seconds in 1500 is a massive difference. I think Hocker will struggle to even make the final.

This. Every heat Hocker runs will be taken out fast to get him out of contention. He might go through one, but no way he makes the final.

highhoppingworm wrote:

I’ll just add that Kerr ran an almost identical final 200 in the British trials as Hocker off a race 5 seconds slower.

I’ll just add that his final 400 was 3 seconds quicker meaning his penultimate 200 split was three seconds quicker than hockers and kerr was more badly boxed than Hocker so anyone can make a false narrative with a split that covers 15% of a race

highhoppingworm wrote:

DownUndah wrote:

Jakob beast Cole in any race and so does Wightman and Kerr they are faster overall pb wise and can close quicker than him

Woah woah woah… I agree with Jakob but don’t just conflate Kerr and Wightman into the situation. They are not, at present, of the same class and I could easily see Hocker running them down. In fact, I bet he does.. He did, after all, just run down the reigning Olympic champion who self described his fitness as his best ever and looked very strong. It’s just really hard to stick with someone dropping a 38.xx for the last 300 and 25 flat for the last 200 no matter who you are.

No he can’t his on is 3:35 Wightman is a 3:29 guy and Kerr has run 3:31 solo he’s 4/6 seconds back on them and they have championship experience and they close harder than hocker he’s not running either of them down

You consider the last 200 of the race a “false narrative”? That might be the most clownish thing I have heard this month. This conversation isn’t worth having.

I’m not arguing that Hocker is a better running than Wightman or Kerr. In fact he is objectively not. That said, My level of surprise of Hocker were to beat both of them at the Olympics would not be extreme. In fact I see it as a perfectly reasonable possibility. If he were to beat Jakob I would be floored.

Since Jan 1 2020, 2 Norwegians, 2 British, and an Aussie have run under 3:32. Also a few Africans.

https://www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=2018-01-01&lastDay=2021-06-28#

Americans only medal if the final is a sit and kick like 2016 when Centro won in......3:50.....

Alan

All this talk about "he beat Centro....the Olympic Champ!".....

.....the Olympic Champ who won in 3:50....

.....who's PR was in 2015....

....who finished 8th in the 2019 worlds....

Just talking logically here....

My best guess is Centro finished outside the top 5 and Hocker gets snaked in the semis.

Alan

If he's running 1500m, I can't wait to see how Mohamed Katir matches up against these top mailers. I doubt he is going to close in sub 25, but maybe he's the guy to go for glory (/set it up for Jakob I) and take the thing out at 3:30 pace.

This Abdalaati Iguider is one of the most disappointing runners I have seen.

(and to say he was World Champion Junior 1500m in 2004)

Runningart2004 wrote:

Also a few Africans.

13 Africans among the first twenty times.

DownUndah wrote:

Woah woah woah… I agree with Jakob but don’t just conflate Kerr and Wightman into the situation. They are not, at present, of the same class and I could easily see Hocker running them down. In fact, I bet he does..

I say Hocker / Kerr / Wightman are all the same when it come to the kick and it could go either way.

Hocker (USA trials):

Last 400m - 52.5

Last 200m - 25.3

Last 100m - 12.3

Kerr / Wightman (British trials):

Last 400m - 51.2

Last 200m - 25.2

Last 100m - 12.7

highhoppingworm wrote:

You consider the last 200 of the race a “false narrative”? That might be the most clownish thing I have heard this month. This conversation isn’t worth having.

I’m not arguing that Hocker is a better running than Wightman or Kerr. In fact he is objectively not. That said, My level of surprise of Hocker were to beat both of them at the Olympics would not be extreme. In fact I see it as a perfectly reasonable possibility. If he were to beat Jakob I would be floored.

No I am just stating that you said they closed the last 200 in similar times only problem is Hocker would already be three seconds back on Kerr and therefore miles behind

DownUndah wrote:

No I am just stating that you said they closed the last 200 in similar times only problem is Hocker would already be three seconds back on Kerr and therefore miles behind

Kerr split 1:52-high (as per Tracklandia YouTube video) in his 3:31 rabbited race.

Hocker went through 800 in about 2 flat.

They aren't in different classes of running.

Passant wrote:

This Abdalaati Iguider is one of the most disappointing runners I have seen.

(and to say he was World Champion Junior 1500m in 2004)

For some years, Iguider was one of the best in the world with sub 3,30 and sub 13. But now it seems like time has caught up on him. Retirement after Tokyo?

Realistically Hocker is about as good as Jakob was at the same age--which is a hell of an accomplishment in itself and bodes very well for Hocker's future--but it is probably not realistic to expect Hocker to hang with Jakob this year. If the final is an absurdly slow tactical race like 2016 (and if Hocker makes the final in the first place) I like Hocker's chances, but otherwise no way.

Everyone knows the 5K will be over well under 13 minutes, and the 10K will be a low 26:40, but that the 1500 will be a jogfest because it's so hot and Olympic finals are always tactical.

DownUndah wrote:

No he can’t his on is 3:35 Wightman is a 3:29 guy and Kerr has run 3:31 solo he’s 4/6 seconds back on them and they have championship experience and they close harder than hocker he’s not running either of them down

The Kerr/Wightman obsession is absurd.

Wightman ran 3:29 in the fastest race on the fastest track in the world in the ultimate time trial. Grice has run super-fast there too and he is an also-ran. Let's also not forget Wightman ran only 5th in Doha unable to run faster than 3:31.87 in the biggest race of the season with Cheruiyot and others setting a fast pace.

Kerr's 3:31 mid was not solo. He had metronomic, perfect pacing through 900 meters via Nowak. He slowed to a 57.0 last lap.

This was a nice effort to kick in 51 seconds in a 3:40 race, but Hocker can kick in 52 in a 3:35 race this isn't some crazy feat in comparison.

Passant wrote:

This Abdalaati Iguider is one of the most disappointing runners I have seen.

(and to say he was World Champion Junior 1500m in 2004)

WOW, you are so ignorant.

Hocker has run 335 as his PR. That would have had him finish 11th in Doha.

The top 5 in Doha finished under 332. The winning time was 329.

The most recent world championship race was not tactical. The Olympic 1500 final will not be tactical this time.

Hocker will be dropped in the final if he can even make the final.