If Shelby was cheating and ingesting nandrolone, why not avoid the random drug test the next day?

Why wouldn't she possibly have some level of addiction at play? Desperate people do desperate things. Stop expecting there to be rational steps along the way with someone cheating and all puffed up on world records and the greatest fitness she ever had etc.

Harambe wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Like a legitimate doctor prescribing testosterone to a female athlete? Don't know if that's something you'd find too easy...think of how Balco was run and operated.

I imagine BALCO was doing pretty rigorous organic chemistry considering their work went basically undetected until someone ratted them out.

its almost as if the dumb f*cks on this site have only been involved in running/running news the last 6 months

BALCO was a multimillion dollar business, the clients were more than just marion jones. lots of baseball, lots of football, lots of pro athletes. his chemist who syntisized THG aka the "clear" was working on a whole list of other androgens and peptides that wouldnt ever show up on a test....he had a masters in organic chemistry.

what is annoying of the BALCO ordeal is when the headquarters where raided they found lists of hundreds of athletes and what they were taking, yet only a few heads rolled in the media. barry bonds was a client, sosa was a client...but those guys had millions vs marion jones, so of course she got slammed

Agree that this seems more and more the most likely explanation. If the pork/boar-tainted steak burrito (from a place where she eats often) 10 hours before the test is really the cause, she is the most unlucky athlete in history. Shelby didn't even seem like she believed it when explaining it on Fox. They probably have a better guess as to where the deca came from, but it is not something they can go public with.

Do they not just show up to your house?

They were probably knocking on her door at 6am.

karma? wrote:

Agree that this seems more and more the most likely explanation. If the pork/boar-tainted steak burrito (from a place where she eats often) 10 hours before the test is really the cause, she is the most unlucky athlete in history. Shelby didn't even seem like she believed it when explaining it on Fox. They probably have a better guess as to where the deca came from, but it is not something they can go public with.

Seems right.

For the past couple days I've been believing that SH was innocent and very unlucky but now I think a cross contamination is more likely.

If she was micro dosing test her hair would still pass an examination for chronic nandrolone use.

surebuddy wrote:

For the past couple days I've been believing that SH was innocent and very unlucky but now I think a cross contamination is more likely.

If she was micro dosing test her hair would still pass an examination for chronic nandrolone use.

Yeah, this whole thread is basically useless because everyone is explaining how she could be microdosing. But the hair sample invalidates that.

So others have touched upon this but I think the likely explanation of why she didn't avoid the test (assuming she was doping intentionally) is that she and or her team didn't think she'd fail. The challenge with the human body is that only does every person metabolize things differently but even one's own metabolism can change from day to day and hour to hour.

Think about alcohol for example. One's BAC is significantly dependent on how much food they have eaten, whether or not they have exercised recently, how efficient their liver is at any given time (being sick can impact how fast one processes alcohol.

It would be incredibly costly and time consuming for Houlihan to self-test frequently and she may not have access to high precision tests so any self-testing would likely be a guestimate similar to the $20 breathalyzers that are available these days, probably not as sensitive as a blood test that is processed in an accredited laboratory.

She might normally process everything within 24 hours but perhaps this time it was 28 or 30.

As others have mentioned depending on where she was getting her drugs the dose may have varied depending on how well it was manufactured.

chipotlenextime wrote:

From what I read (if she was cheating), they do not believe she was injecting it...she must have been ingesting this. It was stated that this would leave the body in 24 hours.

So, if Shelby slipped herself some nandrolone the day before, received a random drug test call, why not avoid showing up? Can't you receive a whereabout failure once without consequences?

Wouldn't it make more sense to do this than risk a possible positive?

I’m shocked with this as well. I read recently that Tyler Hamilton, cyclist who has admitted doping, that he once just hid. Justin hiding to avoid random drug test knowing that he would fail.

Maybe she messed up somehow which seems pretty dumb.

Hair sample shows it wasn't chronic use. If she had background levels for ages and this put her over the edge, this would make sense. But that's not the case.

Why do you trust the hair sample story? Has it been presented by an independent third party? Maybe it doesn't actually build up in your hair. I thought the hair thing was something she organized with her lawyer, knowing full well it would sound good to people.

The whole thing is confusing on so many levels. But the truth IS out there. SOMEONE knows. Unless it was a weird freak accident and actually no one knows, which is also possible in my mind.

Maybe someone already said this, but:

If you asked me what I had for dinner one night in December I wouldn't remember

Shelby's fans should write a book. If She Did Cheat, This is How she Would Have Done it.

The prologue could be written by OJ.

She physically couldn't, as she was fixed to a toilet after eating a steroid-laden burrito from a sketchy food truck the day before. USADA knew they had her by the balls at that point.

prosper in the way wrote:

Hair sample shows it wasn't chronic use. If she had background levels for ages and this put her over the edge, this would make sense. But that's not the case.

She was micro dosing testosterone not nandrolone. The testosterone was contaminated with nandrolone. Her hair would pass an analysis for nandrolone because she wasn't intentionally taking it.

surebuddy wrote:

prosper in the way wrote:

Hair sample shows it wasn't chronic use. If she had background levels for ages and this put her over the edge, this would make sense. But that's not the case.

She was micro dosing testosterone not nandrolone. The testosterone was contaminated with nandrolone. Her hair would pass an analysis for nandrolone because she wasn't intentionally taking it.

There's a lot of assumptions in there. Plus. if she were microdosing, it's unlikely that the contaminant in the microdose would be high enough to register a positive, but the main ingredient would go undetected. Even sketchy labs wouldn't have their substance that unpure.

She was confident. She was tested 15 times during the past year. That means she'd beaten the test so many times while doping, that she wasn't worried until she got popped.

I was waiting for Greg Doucette or More Plates More Dates to provide their opinion on the matter. Greg clearly doesn't think she cheated. These guys, like or not, know their PED's.

I have been on the fence on this. I probably will be forever as I do not think we will ever know. I will say that Shelby has been a very talented runner for a long time. Sure she had a step change improvement recently, but she has been relevant at every level. So that begs if Shelby is dirty isn't most of the others at this level? I remember when Shannon Rowbury went from John Cooke to Salazar she took roughly 4 seconds off of her 1500m time. I am rambling a bit, but if Shelby's dirty then I do not think you can trust any lady that has dropped under 4 minutes for the 1500m.

That was USADA testing. The positive sample was from AIU testing.

This is how Jerry feels about USADA.

"I believe if this had been USADA handling her case it would have been handled differently. At the very least, I’m confident she would have been treated fairly".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/06/14/shelby-houlihan-failed-drug-test/