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money back wrote:
on the inside wrote:
So why should anyone go to Harvard? It’s a good thing you are here to point out his poor decisions since you clearly know more than anyone else about what people should do with their lives. Yes, there are advantages to going to Harvard or an Ivy League school. Examples are top wall street investment banks, top-tier consulting firms, Supreme Court law clerks, cabinet positions, tenure track positions at elite universities, etc.
Where has every president since Reagan attended college? (Harvard, Yale, and Penn). What about most cabinet members and 8 of 9 current Supreme Court justices? Which colleges have the most Nobel Prize winners? Maybe someone wants to marry into a wealthy family or make friends with people that may one day provide investment capital for a start-up or get them a meeting with a company CEO. I understand you may not give a crap about any of these things. But there is a reason that graduates from a just few universities dominate corporate boardrooms and other positions of power.
Except a PRINCETON economist said it literally doesn't matter. He's an IVY LEAGUE professor, so clearly he's correct by your own logic.
Most Ivy League grads get good jobs after they graduate because their daddy owns the company. Or because their daddy is a US senator.
Most other Ivy League students can't get a full athletic scholarship to every other school in the nation.
Where did I dispute the findings of the Krueger and Dale study? The study has been widely reported, but the original study was conducted almost 20 years ago. But even the authors admit that “there were some students who did fare better financially if they attended elite schools. The students who fell into this category were Latino, black, and low-income students, as well as those whose parents did not graduate from college.”
A 2017 study led by the economist Raj Chetty found that “lower-income students at an elite school such as Columbia University have a ‘much higher chance of reaching the [top 1 percent] of the earnings distribution’ than those at an excellent public university, such as SUNY Stony Brook in Long Island.” Does anyone really believe Bill Clinton or Barack Obama would have become president if they had just stayed home and attended the U of Arkansas or Hawaii, respectively?
My main point was that those connections from Harvard can make a difference for some people and in some occupations. The study does not invalidate that point. And I’m not going to presume I can know what is best for anyone else.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/on the inside wrote:
money back wrote:
Except a PRINCETON economist said it literally doesn't matter. He's an IVY LEAGUE professor, so clearly he's correct by your own logic.
Most Ivy League grads get good jobs after they graduate because their daddy owns the company. Or because their daddy is a US senator.
Most other Ivy League students can't get a full athletic scholarship to every other school in the nation.
Where did I dispute the findings of the Krueger and Dale study? The study has been widely reported, but the original study was conducted almost 20 years ago. But even the authors admit that “there were some students who did fare better financially if they attended elite schools. The students who fell into this category were Latino, black, and low-income students, as well as those whose parents did not graduate from college.”
A 2017 study led by the economist Raj Chetty found that “lower-income students at an elite school such as Columbia University have a ‘much higher chance of reaching the [top 1 percent] of the earnings distribution’ than those at an excellent public university, such as SUNY Stony Brook in Long Island.” Does anyone really believe Bill Clinton or Barack Obama would have become president if they had just stayed home and attended the U of Arkansas or Hawaii, respectively?
My main point was that those connections from Harvard can make a difference for some people and in some occupations. The study does not invalidate that point. And I’m not going to presume I can know what is best for anyone else.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/
You can move the goalposts all you want but you are still wrong. Blanks is neither latino, black, low income, or a first generation college student.
Blanks wants to do business, Michigan has a much better business program than Harvard. He can surely get a full scholarship to Michigan and be at a better academic school for his major. Why would you advise he stays at Harvard and pays 300k per year?
money back wrote:
on the inside wrote:
Where did I dispute the findings of the Krueger and Dale study? The study has been widely reported, but the original study was conducted almost 20 years ago. But even the authors admit that “there were some students who did fare better financially if they attended elite schools. The students who fell into this category were Latino, black, and low-income students, as well as those whose parents did not graduate from college.”
A 2017 study led by the economist Raj Chetty found that “lower-income students at an elite school such as Columbia University have a ‘much higher chance of reaching the [top 1 percent] of the earnings distribution’ than those at an excellent public university, such as SUNY Stony Brook in Long Island.” Does anyone really believe Bill Clinton or Barack Obama would have become president if they had just stayed home and attended the U of Arkansas or Hawaii, respectively?
My main point was that those connections from Harvard can make a difference for some people and in some occupations. The study does not invalidate that point. And I’m not going to presume I can know what is best for anyone else.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/You can move the goalposts all you want but you are still wrong. Blanks is neither latino, black, low income, or a first generation college student.
Blanks wants to do business, Michigan has a much better business program than Harvard. He can surely get a full scholarship to Michigan and be at a better academic school for his major. Why would you advise he stays at Harvard and pays 300k per year?
I don't know anything about him and I'm not advising him to do anything. I guess since you obviously know what's best for him and know what he considers to be most important in his college choice I will defer to your expertise.
money back wrote:
on the inside wrote:
Where did I dispute the findings of the Krueger and Dale study? The study has been widely reported, but the original study was conducted almost 20 years ago. But even the authors admit that “there were some students who did fare better financially if they attended elite schools. The students who fell into this category were Latino, black, and low-income students, as well as those whose parents did not graduate from college.”
A 2017 study led by the economist Raj Chetty found that “lower-income students at an elite school such as Columbia University have a ‘much higher chance of reaching the [top 1 percent] of the earnings distribution’ than those at an excellent public university, such as SUNY Stony Brook in Long Island.” Does anyone really believe Bill Clinton or Barack Obama would have become president if they had just stayed home and attended the U of Arkansas or Hawaii, respectively?
My main point was that those connections from Harvard can make a difference for some people and in some occupations. The study does not invalidate that point. And I’m not going to presume I can know what is best for anyone else.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/You can move the goalposts all you want but you are still wrong. Blanks is neither latino, black, low income, or a first generation college student.
Blanks wants to do business, Michigan has a much better business program than Harvard. He can surely get a full scholarship to Michigan and be at a better academic school for his major. Why would you advise he stays at Harvard and pays 300k per year?
you lost all your credibility when you stated he pays $300k a year
If you didn't understand what he meant, you should have asked for clarification instead of insulting him. Most of us knew.
Many of the top consulting firms, banks, VC firms, etc. literally hire 50% of their yearly group from HYP, Stanford, MIT/CalTech.
All you idiots arguing over ey here a kid is dumb for going to the best university in the world could not dream of getting in there. If he’s smart enough to go to Harvard he’s smart enough to make the decision himself
indoorszn wrote:
All you idiots arguing over ey here a kid is dumb for going to the best university in the world could not dream of getting in there. If he’s smart enough to go to Harvard he’s smart enough to make the decision himself
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My two kids rejected offers from Harvard so your own logic says that you are the idiot. I have raised my children and still consider my decision making skills to be better than their's even though I only had a measley 33 on my ACT and didn't even think about highly selective schools for myself.
We are not arguing that the decision was a bad one. It was a good one. We are just pointing out that the circumstances have changed greatly due to his incredible times. He now could earn a large scholarship from an equivalent school whereas he could not previously. It seems that you are having a hard time following that logic train.
Do you know the parents? Or did you cyberstalk their employment and financial information. If so that’s pretty creepy man.
Anyone who has been in a classroom environment at a large power 5 public school vs. the elite private schools would be hard pressed to recommend the former -- given the choice. No doubt you can get a great education at e.g. Michigan, but basically everything is better for the student at a top-tier Ivy.
Imagine never having to frantically log on at 2:00 PM on a random Wednesday in February to enroll in the one class you need to to graduate.
You can debate that it's not worth 80k, but if the parents can afford it it's hard to justify otherwise.
Harambe wrote:
Anyone who has been in a classroom environment at a large power 5 public school vs. the elite private schools would be hard pressed to recommend the former -- given the choice. No doubt you can get a great education at e.g. Michigan, but basically everything is better for the student at a top-tier Ivy.
Imagine never having to frantically log on at 2:00 PM on a random Wednesday in February to enroll in the one class you need to to graduate.
You can debate that it's not worth 80k, but if the parents can afford it it's hard to justify otherwise.
Yet somehow, miraculously, tens of thousands of students graduate each year from those types of schools.
Very little is actually better at an Ivy League. You can't go watch competitive basketball or football games, your professors are extremists/activists, and you graduate 300k in debt.
money back wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Anyone who has been in a classroom environment at a large power 5 public school vs. the elite private schools would be hard pressed to recommend the former -- given the choice. No doubt you can get a great education at e.g. Michigan, but basically everything is better for the student at a top-tier Ivy.
Imagine never having to frantically log on at 2:00 PM on a random Wednesday in February to enroll in the one class you need to to graduate.
You can debate that it's not worth 80k, but if the parents can afford it it's hard to justify otherwise.
Yet somehow, miraculously, tens of thousands of students graduate each year from those types of schools.
Very little is actually better at an Ivy League. You can't go watch competitive basketball or football games, your professors are extremists/activists, and you graduate 300k in debt.
When you say things are clearly wrong, it's hard to trust anything you say. Very few (<20%) of students at Harvard have to take student loans and the average debt upon graduation is far lower than almost all other schools.
The undergrad academia and pre-professional experience is far better at Ivies. The money and support makes a huge difference.
2600 bro wrote:
money back wrote:
Yet somehow, miraculously, tens of thousands of students graduate each year from those types of schools.
Very little is actually better at an Ivy League. You can't go watch competitive basketball or football games, your professors are extremists/activists, and you graduate 300k in debt.
When you say things are clearly wrong, it's hard to trust anything you say. Very few (<20%) of students at Harvard have to take student loans and the average debt upon graduation is far lower than almost all other schools.
The undergrad academia and pre-professional experience is far better at Ivies. The money and support makes a huge difference.
Certainly the academic environment is better at Harvard, then say NAU, but certainly that’s not the case compared to Stanford, or even honor colleges at places like Michigan or Oregon or others. Who is this kid going to train with at Harvard? He should be going to Stanford. He won’t have to give up a thing, he will save a lot of money and he will be in a running environment as elite as the academic environment. Same is true in the honor colleges of many big time sports schools.
Is that a surprise? My two sons declined an offer from Harvard due to the cost. The reason that most people don't take loans is because the upper middle class moves onto less expensive options rather than choose to pay $300k. Lower income students don't need loans and upper income students don't need loans. And how would Harvard know if upper income earners took out private loans anyway?
money back wrote:
Yet somehow, miraculously, tens of thousands of students graduate each year from those types of schools.
Very little is actually better at an Ivy League. You can't go watch competitive basketball or football games, your professors are extremists/activists, and you graduate 300k in debt.
Of course students graduate and go onto great careers at all these schools. There's a reason the American university system is the best in the world.
For high performing students, I have seen significantly more stress at large public schools over the elite private ones due to things like competition for limited class spots, limited TA/prof accessibility, limited extra curricular accessibility, bureaucratic inertia, hard-to-get advising, and so on.
Is it worth paying tens of thousands extra? I would guess that answers differ there.
"Professors are extremists/activists" is not any more true at, say Yale, than Michigan or UVA. Choosing where your kid goes to school based on incorrect assumptions about the politics of the faculty is the only truly terrible decision I've seen suggested here.
Do you know the parents? Or did you cyberstalk their employment and financial information. If so that’s pretty creepy man.
money back wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Anyone who has been in a classroom environment at a large power 5 public school vs. the elite private schools would be hard pressed to recommend the former -- given the choice. No doubt you can get a great education at e.g. Michigan, but basically everything is better for the student at a top-tier Ivy.
Imagine never having to frantically log on at 2:00 PM on a random Wednesday in February to enroll in the one class you need to to graduate.
You can debate that it's not worth 80k, but if the parents can afford it it's hard to justify otherwise.
Yet somehow, miraculously, tens of thousands of students graduate each year from those types of schools.
Very little is actually better at an Ivy League. You can't go watch competitive basketball or football games, your professors are extremists/activists, and you graduate 300k in debt.
Your biases are clearly showing here. Not everyone cares about competitive basketball or football programs. And for some it's actually a negative. And do you actually know how much he is paying to attend Harvard or are you just making assumptions about his parent's income.
Do you know why Blanks choose Harvard in the first place? If he got into Harvard there were any number of P5 schools he probably could have attended for less, even without the fast times. And why is everyone advising him to transfer? Maybe he is very happy where he is and doesn't want to change schools.
As soon as some kid runs fast times suddenly every here knows exactly what they should do with their life. Everyone has different priorities and considerations.
He isn't reading this so nobody is advising him. We are debating on Letsrun the pros and cons at this point in time knowing that his circumstances have drastically changed in terms of scholarships.