This vomit post is exactly why I love when people take shots at Brazier. As if he can easily get a world record at any event he tries. He just gotta take the event seriously you know. Yeah that's all. In reality, No, he most certainly has no talent for a 5k. As clearly evident he has no talent for the much shorter 1500 either. How many miles is he running now again? 14? Yeah, you know if he upped it up to 19 he'd surely run a 3:27. Vomit people.
I like that Keely Hodgkinson...expect great things.
Huge congrats to Keely & Max. Awesome performances by any standard. Totally amazing for Juniors. Wish them both the best, only adds excitement to out sport.
A great performance from Max.he definitely a front runner and power through with his strenght. I sense this tatic suits him and he may not be able to out kick the speedster in final 100. Great potential.
Fun fact: Burgin is now the European U20 record holder, passing Borza.
He is also a bit better than Rudisha in the U20 category. 1:44.14 vs 1:44.15.
vomituous wrote:
This vomit post is exactly why I love when people take shots at Brazier. As if he can easily get a world record at any event he tries. He just gotta take the event seriously you know. Yeah that's all. In reality, No, he most certainly has no talent for a 5k. As clearly evident he has no talent for the much shorter 1500 either. How many miles is he running now again? 14? Yeah, you know if he upped it up to 19 he'd surely run a 3:27. Vomit people.
Vomit post stating his factual training & racing history.
Burgin is here wrote:
Fun fact: Burgin is now the European U20 record holder, passing Borza.
He is also a bit better than Rudisha in the U20 category. 1:44.14 vs 1:44.15.
Nice. I guess Burgin is a 800m version of Ingebrigtsen, is also coached by his dad and is here to stay...
RunningStreak10k wrote:
A great performance from Max.he definitely a front runner and power through with his strenght. I sense this tatic suits him and he may not be able to out kick the speedster in final 100. Great potential.
Hopefully he will have Wesley Vázquez to pace him for the next few years in the big ones, lol.
People said the same about Coe when he was coming through. Maybe there was an element of truth in it given what happened in the Moscow 800, but it was far from the whole truth and based more on the fact that Coe was so slight he would find it difficult in tactical packed races. This obviously doesn't apply to Max.
all the young dudes carry the news wrote:
I like that Keely Hodgkinson...expect great things.
Yes, it's amazing the talent that is coming through in both the men's and women's.
Britain had of course incredible success with the men in the 80's, and later the women had success while the men declined. Now it seems we're in for a golden decade for both.
YaNo wrote:
runderun wrote:
He's a great talent and a dark horse for a medal but Brazier is not under threat here. Burgin has never had to run rounds or experienced a major champs. Let's see how he works out closer to 2024. Hoppel is still the main threat to Brazier. If Adidas get their super spike sorted in time, then Brazier could be in trouble
WR in 800 & WR in 400 are owned by Adidas Adizero MDs
No one has come close to these times in Nike
Not even close
Brazier's fastest 800 ever registers as 29th fastest 800 performance ever.
Rudisha registered 14 faster performances and 5 of the top 10 ever in Adidas
To your other point, Brazier is definitely under threat here.
Hoppel might be able beat him today, at the trials, and at the Olympics
Great Britain has a boat load of talent
But Amos is the real threat and in fact the # 1 800 runner in the world right now.
He wears Nike. That'll make you happy.
WRs are irrelevant, I'm comparing athletes running right now. Brazier runs in Nike, Hoppel in Adidas. Everyone accepts the Nike shoes provide an advantage right now so Brazier is getting an advantage that Hoppel doesn't have. So even if they were equally good, Brazier gets the technological advantage. Jamie Webb, the Brit who is now number 2 on the UK indoor 800m list, recently said the new adidas spike he has used in training was providing an advantage so large that he couldn't compare the times he was running in it with his previous times. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Hoppel has been competing against Brazier with a definite disadvantage up to this point
The semifinals the 800 are going to be crazy- so many good runners with only the top 2 guaranteed advancing.
I love it!!
Brazier v Burgin age comparison
Brazier (15/04/1997)
800: 16/1:54.36, 17/1:48.61, 18/1:47.55, 19/1:43.55, 20/1:43.95, 21/1:42.34, 22/1:43.15
400 best: 46.91 (indoor)(21), 1500 3:35.85 (23)
Max Burgin (20/05/2002)
800: 14/1:54.36, 15/1:49.42, 16/1:47.36, 17/1:45.36, 18/1:44.75, 19/1:44.14
1500 3:47.70 (16)
Brazier and Burgin - different profiles, with the American being more speed-based and the British runner more endurance based as far as we can gather. Not sure what the British runner has for 400 m speed but I would guess not faster than 48 seconds and possibly higher up to 49 seconds,similar to Steve Cram, strength runner.
Who has the better potential long-term? That’s difficult to say and difficult to project both runners are tremendous athletes that is for sure.
runderun wrote:
YaNo wrote:
WR in 800 & WR in 400 are owned by Adidas Adizero MDs
No one has come close to these times in Nike
Not even close
Brazier's fastest 800 ever registers as 29th fastest 800 performance ever.
Rudisha registered 14 faster performances and 5 of the top 10 ever in Adidas
To your other point, Brazier is definitely under threat here.
Hoppel might be able beat him today, at the trials, and at the Olympics
Great Britain has a boat load of talent
But Amos is the real threat and in fact the # 1 800 runner in the world right now.
He wears Nike. That'll make you happy.
WRs are irrelevant, I'm comparing athletes running right now. Brazier runs in Nike, Hoppel in Adidas. Everyone accepts the Nike shoes provide an advantage right now so Brazier is getting an advantage that Hoppel doesn't have. So even if they were equally good, Brazier gets the technological advantage. Jamie Webb, the Brit who is now number 2 on the UK indoor 800m list, recently said the new adidas spike he has used in training was providing an advantage so large that he couldn't compare the times he was running in it with his previous times. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Hoppel has been competing against Brazier with a definite disadvantage up to this point
Hoppel has not been competing at a disadvantage. First, there has been no conclusive study on track times. The NCAA study Rojo did was crap. Even in that, the women’s 10k was slower, and both the men’s Ns women’s 800 showed no advantage.
Ghost1 wrote:
Brazier v Burgin age comparison
Brazier (15/04/1997)
800: 16/1:54.36, 17/1:48.61, 18/1:47.55, 19/1:43.55, 20/1:43.95, 21/1:42.34, 22/1:43.15
400 best: 46.91 (indoor)(21), 1500 3:35.85 (23)
Max Burgin (20/05/2002)
800: 14/1:54.36, 15/1:49.42, 16/1:47.36, 17/1:45.36, 18/1:44.75, 19/1:44.14
1500 3:47.70 (16)
Brazier and Burgin - different profiles, with the American being more speed-based and the British runner more endurance based as far as we can gather. Not sure what the British runner has for 400 m speed but I would guess not faster than 48 seconds and possibly higher up to 49 seconds,similar to Steve Cram, strength runner.
Who has the better potential long-term? That’s difficult to say and difficult to project both runners are tremendous athletes that is for sure.
I wouldn’t say Brazier is more speed based. He just has more speed. He most likely beats Burgin in a 5k cross country race as well.
vomituous wrote:
This vomit post is exactly why I love when people take shots at Brazier. As if he can easily get a world record at any event he tries. He just gotta take the event seriously you know. Yeah that's all. In reality, No, he most certainly has no talent for a 5k. As clearly evident he has no talent for the much shorter 1500 either. How many miles is he running now again? 14? Yeah, you know if he upped it up to 19 he'd surely run a 3:27. Vomit people.
The vomit starts when DB himself goes on to declare that he wants to play WR in the NFL.
Or when LRC goes off on how a 45.9r = a 44 low open.
Or when LRC goes on about DB being the world's best miler if he just raced it.
Or how he's going to take down Rudisha WR despite never coming close, ever
Or how he's some dominant Olympic tactician now
Or how he's the #1 800 runner going into Tokyo
He's not!
Fact is, as good as he is and has been over last 3 years, the 800 has slowed in the last 5 years. Rudisha is gone and only Amos has gone 1:41 since Rudisha's WR
That's why the vomit flies when DB is declared "the best"
runderun wrote:
WRs are irrelevant, I'm comparing athletes running right now. Brazier runs in Nike, Hoppel in Adidas. Everyone accepts the Nike shoes provide an advantage right now so Brazier is getting an advantage that Hoppel doesn't have. So even if they were equally good, Brazier gets the technological advantage. Jamie Webb, the Brit who is now number 2 on the UK indoor 800m list, recently said the new adidas spike he has used in training was providing an advantage so large that he couldn't compare the times he was running in it with his previous times. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Hoppel has been competing against Brazier with a definite disadvantage up to this point
Doesn't Brazier race in the Superfly Elite, Nike's standard (non-super) sprint spike? He was definitely wearing them during his Indoor 800 AR.
the beagle wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Brazier had over 10 races in the outdoor season before he ran that time, and hadn't broken 1:45 and only once broken 1:46. He then choked in the Olympic trials, not getting out of his heats, and didn't get near his 1:43.5 again for another 3 years.
He ran 1:43.9 the following year. That is certainly "near" his 1:43.5. You are a pathological liar.
It’s all he does.
nike shill wrote:
Doesn't Brazier race in the Superfly Elite, Nike's standard (non-super) sprint spike? He was definitely wearing them during his Indoor 800 AR.
I stand corrected, he wore those in 2020 when he ran 1:44.22. I'll see if I can find what he wore during the 1:44.21 he ran this year.
nike shill wrote:
nike shill wrote:
Doesn't Brazier race in the Superfly Elite, Nike's standard (non-super) sprint spike? He was definitely wearing them during his Indoor 800 AR.
I stand corrected, he wore those in 2020 when he ran 1:44.22. I'll see if I can find what he wore during the 1:44.21 he ran this year.
Okay, based on the video, I believe he was also wearing them during that race this year. Not sure if he mixes it up or not, I'll be curious to see what he wears at Tokyo.
runderun wrote:
WRs are irrelevant, I'm comparing athletes running right now. Brazier runs in Nike, Hoppel in Adidas. Everyone accepts the Nike shoes provide an advantage right now so Brazier is getting an advantage that Hoppel doesn't have.
It is most definitely not universally agreed that the new Nike spikes are advantageous over 800m.