Jacob Kiplimo 26:33 NOT in super spikes

clewnz wrote:

You are a joke. Did you see and actually hold his shoe in your hand and see with your eyes up close? It's no secret that companies like Nile alter shoes for athletes. If you don't know this then you shouldn't be talking about footwear in competitions. More than likely it was a mamba but had either carbon plate or added heal cush with extremely responsive foam (more than the pair for sale). Nike has altered shoes for their athletes since the beginning of their dominance. In today's world, our sport would need to adopt similar protocols to cycling (xray bikes before start) to assure companies/athletes are following prototype and carbon/stack height rules.

Actually iaaf and world athletics say you can’t alter the shoe or wear prototypes for any events it has to be released for the public to be able to purchase to wear otherwise you can’t wear it

The super spikes myth was cooked up by rojo and company to entice people to buy the products. Nothing more, there is no substantial evidence it slices off time over most distances

high school xc coach wrote:

we have also seen superlative performances on the roads from guys in adidas. lends credence to the fellas who are saying the better times are due to longer and better training, etc.

Adidas also has a super shoe, which is what's being used in these "superlative" performances.

Duh.

just the fakks wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

we have also seen superlative performances on the roads from guys in adidas. lends credence to the fellas who are saying the better times are due to longer and better training, etc.

Adidas also has a super shoe, which is what's being used in these "superlative" performances.

Duh.

26:24 on the road with Adidas Takumi Sen. Is this is a super shoe?

Mamba Vs are awesome

I really wish that Rojo would permanently block people like this from slandering athletes day after day with no proof. Why is this acceptable? There is a reason Twitter FB flag posts, try doing that here too. After each of these posts a Mod should post: There is no proof of any doping. Its not complicated. But that would actually make this place worth visiting more often.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""--^ wrote:

Yeah it's funny how all these Ugandans have suddenly emerged. The pimping agents are going there looking for talent to dope so the agents can steal a large cut of athletes money.

If Cheptegei plans to open in 13:45 he might as well skip the Olympics because he will not finish in the top 3. There are too many guys who have a vested interest in the pace being fast (and who have already shown they are willing to push from the gun) for the record not to go down this year.

mikehammer wrote:

EPOooooo wrote:

Wow. So looks like the doping has gone to hyper-level!

Not really , they were running those times 25 years ago

I would say the barriers to 26-30 were mostly mental when 27-30 was fast

There was a lot of EPO around then and no test. Ah, the good old days.

Tommy2Nutz wrote:

I really wish that Rojo would permanently block people like this from slandering athletes day after day with no proof. Why is this acceptable? There is a reason Twitter FB flag posts, try doing that here too.

After each of these posts a Mod should post: There is no proof of any doping.

Its not complicated. But that would actually make this place worth visiting more often.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""--^ wrote:

Yeah it's funny how all these Ugandans have suddenly emerged. The pimping agents are going there looking for talent to dope so the agents can steal a large cut of athletes money.

There is proof of doping. There has been so for years. Its established that it is in every sport and is officially estimated it may be as high as I in 2 athletes in championship athletics. So there is an up to 50% chance any named top athlete is doping.

Instead of your recommendation that there be a statement that there is no proof of doping there should be a statement saying: "there is a high possibility this performance was doped."

I disagree. Cheptegei and others have a vested interest in 13:40 or faster. It’s their best chance to win and leaving it all to the last 800 or 1200 is plain dumb for the Kenyans and Cheptegei

Splits of 13:27 and 13:06 and no super shoes?!?!?!?!?

Last year he had that simultaneous 7:27 3k shape and half marathon win.

At this point he’s getting Gold and both WR’s and it’s not even a hot take to say that.

Last year he was in better shape than Cheptegei was, and he’s only getting closer to his peak years.

Well , Kiplimo is in the same league of the greatest of distance running. His 57'37" in the HM says everything. I ve seen last march ago in two race in XC in Italy and just watching him running you can say he s really one of the greatest talent ever. Also at top speed he's able to run relaxed, At the Campaccio cross country he even fell down in a bad way but he was able to get up and like nothing was happened went back to his abitual speed and won the race.

jabouko wrote:

1 26:11.00 Joshua Cheptegei UGA 12.09.96 1 Valencia 07.10.2020

2 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Bruxelles 26.08.2005

3 26:20.31 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Ostrava 08.06.2004

4 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Hengelo 01.06.1998

5 26:25.97 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Eugene 08.06.2008

6 26:27.85 Paul Tergat KEN 17.06.69 1 Bruxelles 22.08.1997

7 26:28.72 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Hengelo 29.05.2005

8 26:29.22 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

9 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi KEN 25.11.83 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

10 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa Negera ETH 06.03.84 2 Hengelo 29.05.2005

11 26:31.32 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Oslo 04.07.1997

12 26:35.63 Micah Kogo KEN 03.06.86 1 Bruxelles 25.08.2006

slots in as the 12th best performance of all time

spike hype has been around since the 80s. and this is list is sick. and those dude are now all old. that is all.

Tommy2Nutz wrote:

I really wish that Rojo would permanently block people like this from slandering athletes day after day with no proof. Why is this acceptable? There is a reason Twitter FB flag posts, try doing that here too.

After each of these posts a Mod should post: There is no proof of any doping.

Its not complicated. But that would actually make this place worth visiting more often.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""--^ wrote:

Yeah it's funny how all these Ugandans have suddenly emerged. The pimping agents are going there looking for talent to dope so the agents can steal a large cut of athletes money.

+1000

high school xc coach wrote:

we have also seen superlative performances on the roads from guys in adidas. lends credence to the fellas who are saying the better times are due to longer and better training, etc.

there is a lot of information out there right now. runners and coaches are taking advantage.

were there pacing lights?? To me, that is the biggest unfair advantage that needs to go.

Adidas has some super road shoes now, too. That Half marathon where the new WR was set, a number of guys were wearing them. Same kind of tall stack height and carbon plate technology.

BUT, yeah, a year of limited meets seems to really be paying dividends for a lot of runners.

my two pennies wrote:

Looked like Mamba Vs to me. Who could've guessed the super spikes are not as important as rojo would have you believe?

What makes you think he wouldn’t have gone faster in super spikes? Guaranteed they helped Cheptegei break the 5 and 10 WRs. You really think Cheptegei is better than Bekele and Geb sans super shoes?

Now that the super shoes are out and runners have had access to them for a little while, I think we’ll start to see improvements slow down in those runners that have already used them. After all, you’re not going to continuously benefit from something you’ve already gained an advantage from. Nike will have to come up in something new.

Did people whine about Oregon having access to better spikes back in the 60s when Bowerman literally made spikes and flats for his runners that were better than most anything else on the market?

strengthmoneyinthebank wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

No.

The real barriers were very few athletes w <3:52 mile speed focusing on the 10000 and also the fixation with long slow distance in place of work.

Mills started the trend back towards quality + miler speed applied to long distance.

In 1964 he ran guys doing nearly twice the volume straight into the ground.

Now you don't win anything without 22-23s 200m capability and quality work in the training.

probably the dumbest post I've seen today.

dsrunner never fails to spew trash.

Yeah it's funny how all these Ugandans have suddenly emerged. The pimping agents are going there looking for talent to dope so the agents can steal a large cut of athletes money.[/quote][/quote]

I’ve been watching Cheptegei development over the last five years. He has taken his lumps, he has not suddenly emerged.

Now that Ugandan’s has two guys that can close a super fast 10 in under 13:10 don’t expect the pace to be slow if there is a Tokyo Olympics. Heat or no heat. These two are going to put some hurt on that field and attempt to get rid of the kickers.