spaceinvaderslol wrote:
How is this a record when two African teenagers have ran faster this year?
Mu is def the USA’s hope for womens 800m gold. Not the 400
It's an American junior record
Mu is already on record saying that she's using the 400m as "speed work" for the 800m and that she will contest the 800m at the Olympic trials.
Jed Clampett wrote:
She is a beauty. Can I still say that?
That is a nice sentiment but no this is not a message board to comment on appearances positive or negative.
movin' on up wrote:
No need to go sub-22 to approach the WR. Five of the top-9 400 runners all-time never broke 22 and Kratochvílová and Pérec barely broke it. But there is no arguing with you since you feel you know more about every topic known to mankind than anyone else. Even if Mu broke the WR in the 400 and the 800 but never breaks 22 you would still argue that it is impossible.
1 Marita Koch – 47.60 – 21.71
2 Jarmila Kratochvílová – 47.99 – 21.97
3 Salwa Eid Naser – 48.14 – 22.51
4 Marie-José Pérec – 48.25 – 21.99
5 Olga Bryzgina – 48.27 – 22.44
6 Shaunae Miller-Uibo – 48.37 – 21.74
7 Tatána Kocembová – 48.59 – 22.47
8 Cathy Freeman – 48.63 – 22.25
9 Sanya Richards-Ross – 48.70 – 22.09
10 Valerie Brisco – 48.83 – 21.81
So it's only "approaching" the 400 wr now, not breaking it? What is "approaching" it? 48-flat? Or a more modest 49?
I didn't say sub-22 was necessary but in the region of 22 or better - as the best 400 runners can at least do. She is nowhere near that. Your own stats undermine the argument she is fast enough to break the record. Marita Koch ran 21.71 over 200m - Mu is not a sprinter, she won't won't get anywhere near that. So far her best 200 is 23.7. She will be doing well to get below 23. But that still won't get her anywhere near the 400 wr. She may be a runner with world class potential (especially over the 800) but a lot of you are dreaming when you talk about records in the 400. No one will break Koch's doped record who can't run 21-high for 200.
Armstrongfibs wrote:
Male runners are not a useful comparison. Hoe about Hasan and Koko? World record 800 is a given for Mu. Everyone but you knows it.
Hasan and Koko are distance runners. What are you smoking?
Shows how little you pay attention. Hasan ran 2:00 at 20. She improved to 1:56, 4 years later. Mu will also drop 4 seconds over the next 4 years.
Armstrongfibs wrote:
Shows how little you pay attention. Hasan ran 2:00 at 20. She improved to 1:56, 4 years later. Mu will also drop 4 seconds over the next 4 years.
Which would take her to 1:53.7? So quite a way away from the WR...
Armstrongfibs wrote:
Shows how little you pay attention. Hasan ran 2:00 at 20. She improved to 1:56, 4 years later. Mu will also drop 4 seconds over the next 4 years.
So if one athlete achieves X another athlete must do exactly the same? Do you actually follow sports?
ex-runner wrote:
Armstrongfibs wrote:
Shows how little you pay attention. Hasan ran 2:00 at 20. She improved to 1:56, 4 years later. Mu will also drop 4 seconds over the next 4 years.
Which would take her to 1:53.7? So quite a way away from the WR...
And if Hasan drops 4 secs over 4 years then Mu must be able to do the same, because they have the same bodies, right?
Mu is a one off.
She can average 24.x for 400m now,
which means she can go 22high for the200m at least.
she can do a 410 1500m with no strecth.
you cannot do 47 seconds 400m clean as a woman period.
Mu however, with a 4 min 1500m and 22 second 200m speed, that equates to a 800m world record.
also she's progressing all the time, which means her physical threshold was not exceeded in the past.
the only thing that would stop Mu now from a close to WR, is that some females hit the wall around 18 years,
Mu will go 155 min this year, and 50/50 with a 154. and 1/10 a 153.
longjack wrote:
Mu is a one off.
She can average 24.x for 400m now,
which means she can go 22high for the200m at least.
she can do a 410 1500m with no strecth.
you cannot do 47 seconds 400m clean as a woman period.
Mu however, with a 4 min 1500m and 22 second 200m speed, that equates to a 800m world record.
also she's progressing all the time, which means her physical threshold was not exceeded in the past.
the only thing that would stop Mu now from a close to WR, is that some females hit the wall around 18 years,
Mu will go 155 min this year, and 50/50 with a 154. and 1/10 a 153.
You’ve still got it Ventolin. But you have been known to be overly optimistic in the past, like when you thought Galen could run 12:45 so maybe pump the brakes a bit here.
lara_croft wrote:
Jed Clampett wrote:
She is a beauty. Can I still say that?
That is a nice sentiment but no this is not a message board to comment on appearances positive or negative.
Apparently, IT IS.
Give ole’ Jed a break—after all, it was not long ago that he was the US Attorney General.
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Mu’s great, but nothing right now says WR.
Let’s see an actual 1:55 first. Personally I would expect to see that from her next year, but would be pleasantly surprised if it happened this year.
She's in very elite company as a 400/800 runner. On the World Athletics lists these seem to be the athletes who have run 1:57.73 or better and 49.84 or better. It's a very short list.
Athing Mu is by far the youngest to have equaled or bettered both of those marks.
Rank in 800/ Name /800 meter PB/ 400 meter PB
4 Caster Semenya 1:54.25 49.62
5 Ana Fidelia Quirot 1:54.44 49.61
37 Jearl Miles-Clark 1:56.40 49.40
120 Athing Mu 1:57.73 49.84
Emoemo wrote:
longjack wrote:
Mu is a one off.
She can average 24.x for 400m now,
which means she can go 22high for the200m at least.
she can do a 410 1500m with no strecth.
you cannot do 47 seconds 400m clean as a woman period.
Mu however, with a 4 min 1500m and 22 second 200m speed, that equates to a 800m world record.
also she's progressing all the time, which means her physical threshold was not exceeded in the past.
the only thing that would stop Mu now from a close to WR, is that some females hit the wall around 18 years,
Mu will go 155 min this year, and 50/50 with a 154. and 1/10 a 153.
You’ve still got it Ventolin. But you have been known to be overly optimistic in the past, like when you thought Galen could run 12:45 so maybe pump the brakes a bit here.
Vertolin is an arrogant ahole. he works on a formula which has its merits / demerits.
regarding Mu and the 400, just about everyone on the thread called the shot.
49.5 to 50.1. sometimes letsrun gets it right.
here is the "secret"
in new zealand back to lydiard and forward.
you combine a 22 sec 200m, and cross country and you have a world class miler.
if you have a 21x 200m guy and he can do the 100 miles per week, you get Snell.
then you have vertolin, which extrapolates from stats. in an empiracle way.
when you have an athlete that takes their pr from 51 to 50 to 49, and they are 19 years old.
it's not like rocket science to say that they may improve further.
4th place at the last OG was 50x.
this is not rocket science.
49.xx is far superior to 1:57.,, but the 800 isn’t as deep as the 400. So the 800 is her best ticket to the Olympics.
A 49.xx open runner should be able to break 1:50... WR potential here especially since she likes the 800. She should run this:
25-26-27-28
1:49.xx
Good luck and hopefully she breaks 1:50, she certainly has the speed.
Sub.1:50 wrote:
49.xx is far superior to 1:57.,, but the 800 isn’t as deep as the 400. So the 800 is her best ticket to the Olympics.
A 49.xx open runner should be able to break 1:50... WR potential here especially since she likes the 800. She should run this:
25-26-27-28
52.xx/56.xx=1:49.xx
Good luck and hopefully she breaks 1:50, she certainly has the speed.
Is this supposed to be funny? It is not funny. It is absurd. You have got to be joking. How is she going to be the best female runner who ever lived by a margin which is almost inconceivable. By your logic if she can run 1:49 she might be able to break the 4 minute mile. Why not?
emoemo wrote:
Sub.1:50 wrote:
49.xx is far superior to 1:57.,, but the 800 isn’t as deep as the 400. So the 800 is her best ticket to the Olympics.
A 49.xx open runner should be able to break 1:50... WR potential here especially since she likes the 800. She should run this:
25-26-27-28
52.xx/56.xx=1:49.xx
Good luck and hopefully she breaks 1:50, she certainly has the speed.
Is this supposed to be funny? It is not funny. It is absurd. You have got to be joking. How is she going to be the best female runner who ever lived by a margin which is almost inconceivable. By your logic if she can run 1:49 she might be able to break the 4 minute mile. Why not?
People used to say sub 4 was impossible, sub 13, sub 27, sub 2... Dream BIG!
If you can dream it, you can do it!
There are plenty of sub 1:50 800m runners with an open 400 of 49.xx. You have to train for it and bring it on race day.
Generally, if you’re fit and ready you can open your first lap of the 800 2-3 seconds slower than your open 400pr. Your second lap will be 2-3 seconds slower than your first lap. It’s been proven over and over.
"Mu however, with a 4 min 1500m and 22 second 200m speed, that equates to a 800m world record."(quote).
I'm surprised you haven't said she's going to run 1.39 for the 800, like Ryun apparently did.
She is not a 22 sec 200m runner - which is a sprinter of Felix speed - and nor is she a 4 min 1500 runner, which is a specialist over that distance. Her pr is 4.16.
Her 400 time is 24.9x, which works out at around 23 for the 200. That sounds about right (her previous pr was 23.7). If she could run 22secs she would be competitive over the 200 against runners like Dina Asher-Smith. Won't happen. There is still the length of the straight between her 1500 time and 4 flat.
She is undeniably talented but this thread is full of fantasies. I would wait and see if she can match Ajee Wilson, who was only fractionally slower over the 800 at the same age.
Sub.1:50 wrote:
emoemo wrote:
Is this supposed to be funny? It is not funny. It is absurd. You have got to be joking. How is she going to be the best female runner who ever lived by a margin which is almost inconceivable. By your logic if she can run 1:49 she might be able to break the 4 minute mile. Why not?
People used to say sub 4 was impossible, sub 13, sub 27, sub 2... Dream BIG!
If you can dream it, you can do it!
There are plenty of sub 1:50 800m runners with an open 400 of 49.xx. You have to train for it and bring it on race day.
Generally, if you’re fit and ready you can open your first lap of the 800 2-3 seconds slower than your open 400pr. Your second lap will be 2-3 seconds slower than your first lap. It’s been proven over and over.
You are aware this thread is about a female runner?
Cram was a 22-high or 23 runner over 200, and was only marginally faster than Mu over 400 - maybe 48-low. He was a 1.42x runner over 800. This thread aims too low. By the logic being used here Mu should be only a second or two slower than Cram over the 800. After all, there is no real difference between male and female md runners - once they can run 49x for the 400.