Komen ran 3.29 for the 1500. Cheptegei has to improve 8 seconds on his career best to equal that. So where is the extra pace going to come from?
Komen ran 3.29 for the 1500. Cheptegei has to improve 8 seconds on his career best to equal that. So where is the extra pace going to come from?
Armstronglivs wrote:
5679 wrote:
You know nothing about elite training and performance. You are stuck in the past.
Fortunately you keep on posting your garbage to remind us not to pay attention to you.
Thank you.
Oh and if I was in Joshua's camp I would advise him to sue you for defamation. I would love to see the evidence you can produce to prove he is doping.
He would have to sue half of Letsrun.
I would love to see that.
Armstronglivs wrote:
5679 wrote:
*sigh*
Maybe get a class in reading comprehension?
Compared to what?
Read his posts carefully. He mentioned the equivalence tables. Joshua's 5000 and 10000 m records were mentioned as well.
A 25 year old wr is weak? A record run only marginally slower in pace than many championship 1500 races only a few years earlier. Tables or no, you are a complete idiot.
Oh wow, an insult? I never expected that from you!
The poster you asked the question to said that ACCORDING TO THE EQUIVALENCE TABLES (got it now?) that 7:20 is weak.
Keep the insults coming. They only show your lack of valid arguments and knowledge!
Armstronglivs wrote:
Komen ran 3.29 for the 1500. Cheptegei has to improve 8 seconds on his career best to equal that. So where is the extra pace going to come from?
3:37 rabitting the race, into a significant head wind in the back straight, and I bet, while training for much longer distances.
Once again you show your lack of knowledge.
The pride of Uganda rising to the world level with runners like Cheptegei and Kiplimo.
And even in the 800m they have their word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zujxPTG54ZQ
It was particularly interesting to see how the two Ugandan women (outsiders) made fun of the two American. And the only non black runner in that final was an north African.
The 3k record is a monster. Giants of the sport, both 1500 and 5k runners have attempted and failed. The best of the best of the best.
As far as what cheptegei needs for speed, well, Komen did it on 3:29 speed. Cheptegei has MUCH better endurance. He can probably do it with a couple seconds less 1500 speed. 3:31/3:32 might be good enough.
the 3:37 rabbited into the wind, at altitude does not indicate what he is capable of.
I don't think he will get it. But I think it is very possible if he can get 12:35 shape again.
I hope he does get it. I don't think he'd try if he didn't have training that indicated it was possible. I really didn't think he'd do sub 12:37 but he did, and the 10000 was even easier.
The 3000 of course will be harder, precisely because JC is the 10000 record holder as well. It indicates to me that he is endurance based, and maybe not quite enough speed. Keep in mind the other two sub 12:40 guys, KB and Geb, both ended up in the mid 7:20s and they did not have sub 3:30 speed either, only Komen did.
If he was to try, I'll say it's a race for the number 2 time, and he'll end up with 7:23.5
Might be possible, but the spikes saves about 3-6s in a 3k
Oh Please wrote:
I hope he does get it. I don't think he'd try if he didn't have training that indicated it was possible. I really didn't think he'd do sub 12:37 but he did, and the 10000 was even easier.
The 3000 of course will be harder, precisely because JC is the 10000 record holder as well. It indicates to me that he is endurance based, and maybe not quite enough speed. Keep in mind the other two sub 12:40 guys, KB and Geb, both ended up in the mid 7:20s and they did not have sub 3:30 speed either, only Komen did.
If he was to try, I'll say it's a race for the number 2 time, and he'll end up with 7:23.5
ya. kb and geb have to be the logical comparison points. both 3:31/3:32 guys, I believe. so not slow at all. The 3k I think is just a different animal that can't be made sense of by 1500 and 5k times.
I mean, how the heck did Mo Farah not run a low 7:20. he seems like the guy who should have been able to make a run at the record. But I've rewatched some of his 3ks. low 7:30s and it appeared he was pushing. And he almost always seemed to be within a couple seconds of peak fitness. Was able to pop huge halfs, 10s, 5s and 1500s within relatively close time frames.
I just think there is something mentally special about going ALMOST all the way out for the twice the distance of a 1500. The 5k you can almost get in a rhythm and just bang it out. The 1500 stings like nothing else, but mentally you know it is only 3:30, so you can grit and bear. 3k hurts almost as bad as the 1500, but is more than double the time requirement. Perhaps with 2400 meters of pacing it is way more doable, but who out there has the talent to pace that and wants to sacrifice their own race?
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He would have to sue half of Letsrun.
I would love to see that.
Yeah, that would be funny seeing his manager Frederico Rosa acting as a character witness to Chep.
Might not be such a good idea.
'Mr Rosa, can you explain to the court why you decided to switch to managing Ugandan athletes over the last few years? Did you find the talent in Kenya had suddenly dried up? Can you tell us how often your Ugandan athletes are tested?'
Passant wrote:
The pride of Uganda rising to the world level with runners like Cheptegei and Kiplimo.
And even in the 800m they have their word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zujxPTG54ZQIt was particularly interesting to see how the two Ugandan women (outsiders) made fun of the two American. And the only non black runner in that final was an north African.
How are these cheats allowed to participate in global & prize money events when they don't have an anti doping program that is used by most developed countries?
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Komen ran 3.29 for the 1500. Cheptegei has to improve 8 seconds on his career best to equal that. So where is the extra pace going to come from?
3:37 rabitting the race, into a significant head wind in the back straight, and I bet, while training for much longer distances.
Once again you show your lack of knowledge.
He has never run faster than 3m37 at any time. So where are the 8 secs coming from that Komen ran? A syringe?
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A 25 year old wr is weak? A record run only marginally slower in pace than many championship 1500 races only a few years earlier. Tables or no, you are a complete idiot.
Oh wow, an insult? I never expected that from you!
The poster you asked the question to said that ACCORDING TO THE EQUIVALENCE TABLES (got it now?) that 7:20 is weak.
Keep the insults coming. They only show your lack of valid arguments and knowledge!
Tables are works of fiction, favoured by geeks sitting at their computers. The reality is that 7.20 is a helluva time that no one has got near for 25 years. And it was doped - like all the other records. Only dope like the 90's will beat it. And Cheptegei isn't fast enough.
Anyone even attempting this WR (one of the most notoriously doped) is doped to the gills. The question is, can any of the other dopers beat the doped Cheptegai in Tokyo?
Peas and Carrots 22 wrote:
'Mr Rosa, can you explain to the court why you decided to switch to managing Ugandan athletes over the last few years? Did you find the talent in Kenya had suddenly dried up? Can you tell us how often your Ugandan athletes are tested?'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36797823
These agents are the biggest scum. They encourage and seek out athletes who can dope. That's what they want so they make more money which is all these agents really care about. Make no mistake, they are pimps profiting off athletes (stealing their money) and putting their long term health at risk. They are liars and manipulators, and thieves, biggest scum out there.
5679 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He would have to sue half of Letsrun.
I would love to see that.
I'm sure he would love the publicity, too.
Of course this would turn into a doping thread on here. Let's put that aside.
I don't think Cheptegei can do it. Many have gone after this record, it is supremely tough. While I think Cheptegei can run 3:32-3:33 for the 1500 if he got into a Monaco race (if not faster), I don't think that is enough to break 7:23.
This honestly should've been a record that Mo Farah should've had a real shot to get close to during his career. However, Mo is a crap time-trialer who didn't prioritize times unless there was no pressure on him to win (like his 1500s in Monaco). It takes courage to try to run 7:20, especially for Cheptegei who will be very close to his max 1500 speed and will have to walk the line pretty carefully. I think Jakob's mix of speed and endurance makes him more likely to take down this record in a couple of years if he progresses than Cheptegei.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Of course this would turn into a doping thread on here. Let's put that aside.
I don't think Cheptegei can do it. Many have gone after this record, it is supremely tough. While I think Cheptegei can run 3:32-3:33 for the 1500 if he got into a Monaco race (if not faster), I don't think that is enough to break 7:23.
This honestly should've been a record that Mo Farah should've had a real shot to get close to during his career. However, Mo is a crap time-trialer who didn't prioritize times unless there was no pressure on him to win (like his 1500s in Monaco). It takes courage to try to run 7:20, especially for Cheptegei who will be very close to his max 1500 speed and will have to walk the line pretty carefully. I think Jakob's mix of speed and endurance makes him more likely to take down this record in a couple of years if he progresses than Cheptegei.
Doping aside then, Cheptegei isn't fast enough to beat this record. It would take a 3.28 runner.
But it's like the E Bloc women's records - only doping will beat it. So it might happen.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Doping aside then, Cheptegei isn't fast enough to beat this record. It would take a 3.28 runner.
Jakob is a 3:28 runner, why can't he get it? He ran 7:26 last year and I don't think he was in top form by the time that race happened. He is going to get better, especially when it comes to his strength IMO. I don't think there's been a better prospect to beat that record in years because true 1500/5000 guys haven't really been at the top of either the 1500 and 5000. Jakob is bucking that trend.