The problem with this chart (the first part)
is the 40 yard at the combine is partially hand timed, although there is no proper conversion from 40y to 100m anyway, but a 9.79 should be at least a 4.1 with combine timing. Coleman ran 4.12 when he wasn't in peak shape before his 9.81 I believe.
I agree though, DK should run faster than 10.6 if he has done any sprint training.
paris2024hawk wrote:
Coleman ran 4.12 when he wasn't in peak shape before his 9.81 I believe.
I think what people don't really get possibly is as you said the timer starts on the 40 on motion, not reaction etc. So for elite, elite accelerators like Coleman/Bromell their 40 yard times are going to be off-the-charts. I bet both could get close to 4.10. Those guys are excellent at the 60 as well for that reason. You could probably put Baker in this mix too. The guys who generally are gaining on the field the last 60 of a 100 like Lyles, Gatlin (except when he choked vs. Bolt), Bolt and De Grasse I wonder if they'd even break 4.2 in the 40. Maybe a young Gatlin would.
Oh yeah obviously Bolt at his peak would smash 4.2 sorry. He was running 9.5x but he would beat Coleman/Bromell by .2-.3 over 100 but by a hundredth or two in the 40y in my view.
Believe it or not a prime bolt(2008-2012 would his first few steps are terrible but his acceleration is good he has the fastest splits at 20m, 30m, 40m and even 10m.Bolt crossed the 40 yard mark in 2009 in about 4.20 sec F.A.T. so he could run as fast as 4.06 with combine timing. but probably few hundreds slower because it's on turf.
paris2024hawk wrote:
Believe it or not a prime bolt(2008-2012 would his first few steps are terrible but his acceleration is good he has the fastest splits at 20m, 30m, 40m and even 10m.Bolt crossed the 40 yard mark in 2009 in about 4.20 sec F.A.T. so he could run as fast as 4.06 with combine timing. but probably few hundreds slower because it's on turf.
Yeah why I clarified in my second post. I remembered that when he was running 9.5 and 9.6 it makes sense that in those peak races he was crushing it every 10-meter segment outside of maybe the 10m split (which was still solid)
Similarly Gatlin could run 6.45 in the 60m in his prime. Well when you're running 9.7x that's a somewhat pedestrian 60. The Bromell/Baker/Coleman trio runs that fast or faster with inferior 100m marks. They would kill it in Combine-style 40s, as Coleman did in that 4.12 he did for fun.
DK is awesome, this is good for T/F and sport in general.
I agree
Well, DK ran 22.64 mph on that play. He was on a football field wearing football equipment and carrying some fatigue from having played in the game up to that point.
Bolt was clocked at 27.33 mph on a track wearing track stuff in a race.
I say 10.5 is a fair over/under if DK runs. I hope I'm wrong and that he runs much faster.
I got 10.31
another opinion wrote:
I got 10.31
I think that's a solid prediction.
Dude is fast, no doubt. But when you don't train specifically for track speed, there's a ceiling and that ceiling is around 10.2-10.3
Personally I think he's too bulky to get in the 10.2s, like Henry Aikens from England.
This will be an interesting event. I'd expect him to perhaps run 10.4, but part of me wants to believe that the women's 100 meter champ in Tokyo will run faster @ around 10.6x.
I agree it should be good entertainment, but very unlikely to get an OTQ.
In 2014 I made a list of the top 100m times by NFL players:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190311033318/https://web.stanford.edu/%7Eclint/100m_nfl.htm
Most of the top times were from guys who ran track in college and the Olympics.
Usually if guys are extremely fast, they ran track in college.
I listened to Hadsell’s weekly live show last night and he touched on it. Talked about how it’s great for track and field to get this exposure. Brought up Bo Jackson which is a great comparison.
Bo was arguably the fastest NFL player of all time. Ran 4.12 at combine. Ran indoor track at Auburn and qualified for ncaas twice indoors at 60y but never made the finals. Bo was 6-2, 224. Essentially same size as DK. Too big. DK could potentially be even leading at 40m but will struggle past 70m.
A few of these guys on your list are also “big” guys that were very fast on the field but not so fast in limited outdoor 100m action. Bo only tan a few meets outdoors as an example but did run around 6.15 for 55m. Personally I would like to see Grant Holloway in that 100m. Was great football player but concentrates on hurdles. I think he would easily beat DK even outside his main event.
They should race in full pads, see how close it is then. This does make a difference. Some 4.3 guys, in pads seem relatively pedestrian vs. other 4.3 guys. Some guys just carry the pads better, their drop off is less. Jerry Rice famously ran a 4.6 and he was one of the best deep threats ever. I would put forth that his loss of speed, in pads, was minimal. Look at Metcalf in that video, whatever his real 40 time is, there is minimal loss in full pads.
Brojos, can we get a prediction contest for this?
IChooseD2 wrote:
Personally I would like to see Grant Holloway in that 100m. Was great football player but concentrates on hurdles. I think he would easily beat DK even outside his main event.
I always thought it was weird that we never got to see Holloway in a 100m - Obviously a hurdle specialist, but I feel like if you search "NCAA 4x400" on youtube, he's in every single video that pops up.
statfool wrote:
I agree it should be good entertainment, but very unlikely to get an OTQ.
In 2014 I made a list of the top 100m times by NFL players:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190311033318/https://web.stanford.edu/%7Eclint/100m_nfl.htmMost of the top times were from guys who ran track in college and the Olympics.
Usually if guys are extremely fast, they ran track in college.
damn impressive. thanks for putting this together.
with the depth of 10.00 - 10.2 guys in the NFL, I wonder how many could go sub-10 if they decided to focus on track vs football.
I'm guessing 10.3-10.4 range is probably about right. His start is probably going to be the worst in his heat.
I'm down with the eyes that this is bringing to the sport. DK is gonna get walked tho.
CruiserBeast wrote:
I predict that he doesn't run. Something will suddenly come up. It's all about attention. Not 100% who the attention is actually for/about, but it is all about attention.
This sounds right. He doesn’t get enough attention from the millions of views each week during football season.
He craves the attention of the track crowd...... all 32 of them.
IChooseD2 wrote:
Personally I would like to see Grant Holloway in that 100m. Was great football player but concentrates on hurdles. I think he would easily beat DK even outside his main event.
I mean obviously Holloway could beat DK in any race...do people dispute that? Holloway ran 6.50 for the 60 in college. He'd have a decent shot to break 10 outdoors with good conditions. It is interesting that as a pro that he's been so specialized on the hurdles, but maybe that will change if he can do a relay in the Olympics. That being said, the USA depth at 100 and 400 is so good it's probably not needed.