Eliud Kipchoge has been vaccinated, have you?

I’m a professor of medicine at one of the top two medical schools in the country. The voluntary vaccination rate among our faculty, including our multiple Nobel laureates, is nearly 100%. Are we all sheep, or just a lot better informed than you? You are spewing nonsense and I dare you to name a single “experienced, brilliant ID doctors” who recommends against the vaccine, let alone says it’s deadly or that the risk is greater than the benefit. In our ID division, probably the BEST in the world, the vaccination rate is 100%.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^"""""""" wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

I may get it in 2023 (and yes, it will be required each and every year -- that's where the $$ is) if those vaccinated in 2021 have not died or been made very ill from the vaccines by the end of 2022

Your first sentence is spot on and the sheep fail to realize this right now and that means they'll also be dumb enough to buy the crock of crap that the govt/big pharma/ media is selling them. I may also add that the depopulation scheme theory may be credible. You will see a lot of infertility in females and possibly even males from the vaccine. Either that or they'll just start dropping dead from the scam vaccines.

Oh my... I knew you were one of the crazies, but I didn't realize just how deep in the hole you are. Get some help, please.

@ wise old man - You presented nothing to dispute any of what I wrote other than professional credentials of you and your colleagues and your vaccination rates.

- Do you dispute that 99.97% of people who test positive for Covid survive it? That's from the data on the CDC website.

- Do you dispute that there are no long-term human studies on this specific gene therapy? Show me a link to what you've got, I've seen and heard of none, and I've been looking and asking. Human studies, not animals. This specific gene therapy, not one "like it". I'm serious, if you have it, post it, I'm very interested in seeing it and reading about it. If you have time to post a reply to me like you've already done, surely you have time to post a link. I'll thank you ahead of time if you have one.

I'm not going to name the doctors I know here, I've played this game with people for almost a year now. I'll name doctors and you'll write about them being quacks or having a political agenda or you never hear of them or whatever. Tired of it and I'm not playing that game any more or getting into the cult of personalities and celebrity docs. I personally know a number of doctors and nurses who were on the front lines of this and an alarming number of them are not comfortable at all with getting this gene therapy so they are not participating. And yes, some of them I consider brilliant and I highly respect their opinion. I have no idea who you are or if you are who you present yourself to be. For all I know, you could be a political troll with an agenda.

Having said all that, I hope you are correct and my concerns turn out to be completely unfounded. My family has a lot riding on this being exactly what it is being hyped as, seeing as all of them have had the shots. I wish you the best of health with your gene therapy. But I'm out until long-term effects are better understood or Covid mutates into something that is truly a deadly threat to someone as healthy as I fortunately am.

prefan wrote:

- Do you dispute that 99.97% of people who test positive for Covid survive it? That's from the data on the CDC website.

Link?

You might also want to consider that survival is not the only metric that matters.

Yep.

Fully vaccinated.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

No, and will never be.

So, you're a moron. Ok.

This post should be on a poster for "selfish, entitled, uneducated idiots who are going to make sure people die."

There are 15 references to "I', 'me," or 'My in your post.

Not a single reference to 'us', the community, or the world that's afflicted by the virus

You don't care about other people getting it, you spreading to people, or how it impacts anyone but you. Which is why people are still dying.

Mr. rogers once said "Look for the people who are helping.' This pandemic is going to continue, and we'll know why: by looking for the people who refuse to help.

The Spade Detector wrote:

Kenyans aren't afraid of a little needle!

Good one lolllll

@ umm,nope - You'll spread it too, even with your jab. That's the point. This shot doesn't prevent you from getting Covid or spreading Covid, it only lessons your pain and symptoms if you do get. I am doing no more or less for the community by not getting jabbed than you are by getting it. Educate yourself before you go on criticizing others for the same thing you yourself could be doing.

@ THOUGHTSLEADER - I mis-typed. 99.98% of people in the US have survived it. Worldometer lists 588,000 died in the US. 330 million population is roughly the US population total. 588,000/330,000,000 is 99.98% of people don't die from it out of total US population. Per the cases noted on the link below, 98.2% of positive cases in the US survive it. Again, numbers I'm willing to roll the dice on personally, however I respect others' decisions not to if that is their choice.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

prefan wrote: 99.97% of people who get it, survive it.

False.

prefan wrote:

@ umm,nope - You'll spread it too, even with your jab. That's the point. This shot doesn't prevent you from getting Covid or spreading Covid, it only lessons your pain and symptoms if you do get. I am doing no more or less for the community by not getting jabbed than you are by getting it. Educate yourself before you go on criticizing others for the same thing you yourself could be doing.

Incorrect.

prefan, where are you getting your data? Yes, the defined trial end points were rates of symptomatic infection (btw, basically NOBODY goes to the ICU or dies of covid after vaccination), but we now know that the vaccines stop asymptomatic infection and transmission too.

Again, I will provide you with the following information that you requested:

What sort of data would satisfy you?

mRNA is a non infectious, non-integrating platform that is rapidly degraded upon entering cells. There is NO risk of infection or of insertional mutagenesis. mRNA CANNOT integrate with cellular DNA. mRNA vaccine technology has been studied in humans since around 2012 and none of the doom and gloom scenarios you seem to be afraid of have yet to occur. If you want to read a responsible overview of the technology I suggest Pardi et al. Nature Reviews Drug Discovery 2018;17:261-279. You can also peruse @inthebubblepod and seek out the podcasts that would most interest you and educate you. There are many devoted to vaccine safety. I am serious when I tell you that EVERY ID specialist, virologist, vaccinologist, epidemiologist at my most esteemed medical university is vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine, and they have recommended the same to all of their friends and relatives regardless of age and baseline risk for covid death (with rare exceptions and also not yet for those under 16, though about to be approved for 12-15 year olds).

People who live in Africa understand better than most the importance of vaccines.

If only this was a vaccine.

I know, ughhhh, dang nanobots!

prefan wrote:

@ THOUGHTSLEADER - I mis-typed. 99.98% of people in the US have survived it. Worldometer lists 588,000 died in the US. 330 million population is roughly the US population total. 588,000/330,000,000 is 99.98% of people don't die from it out of total US population. Per the cases noted on the link below, 98.2% of positive cases in the US survive it. Again, numbers I'm willing to roll the dice on personally, however I respect others' decisions not to if that is their choice.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yeah, I think the 99.98% number is pretty useless. The 98.2% one is more important. Even though it is lower than what is probably the truth (due to people who had undiagnosed COVID), you have to also consider that people spread to others who then spread to others and so on. So not getting the vaccine puts others at risk. So, you're rolling the dice on not just your health.

As far as survival from the vaccine, that number is exceedingly high. Probably closer to your 99.98% number, but probably even higher. It would then lower your COVID chances to 5-10%.

Mathematically, I don't think there's much of a debate here. The most defensivble argument for no vaccine is best if you already had COVID recently, were fine, and don't pose much of a risk for getting it again. If you haven't gotten it, I think you can say you're "taking your chances" but it's a bad calculation you're making.

I will take a look at the info you have provided and I appreciate you providing it. I am trying to educate myself as best I can on all aspects of this, so I'll take a look at this. Thank you.