Lagat in his prime - How fast would he have run with super shoes?

mikehammer wrote:

He ran 12-53 at the age of 36(?)

I'd have him down as a sub 12-40 athlete in his prime

I don't know how the figures translated to the marathon but I would guess about 2-03

For the 800m I would estimate 1-44

Just guessing

800- Sub 1:44

1500 3:26. 34

Mile Under3:44

3000- 7:22

5000- 12:38

10000- 26:22

Steeple 7 :52 if he concentrated on it

Half marathon 57:20 in Super shoes on Perfect Day

Marathon under 2:03

All IF in Perfect Conditions With The NEW Super Shoes, He is K. Bekele, GEB, D. Komen, Cheptegui, El G, J. Kiplimo, J Ingebrigtsen, Morcelli type talent. Laugh at Ingebrightsen being in this group, but 7-8 years down the road you will see.

Aouita 85 wrote:

Aouita 84 wrote:

Besides his amazing range (800-10,000) and winning Oly and WC Gold Medals (5000m), Aouita's true claim to fame is that he was the first distance runner to challenge and set WR's from 1500-5000m. Also, there hasn't been a 5000m Oly Champ and World Record holder turn around and medal in the Oly Games at 800m. The only reason he never ran a fast 10k is that he never logged high mileage in training, only 70-80 miles per week, and never made a serious attempt at it. That being said, There is the shadow of doping that hangs over many elite middle-distance runners during this era, and it's hard not to believe Aouita didn't take part in it.

"Go Run One"

You forgot about Henry Rono.

Rono was a Steeple/3k/5k/10k guy. Yes, your correct a very impressive range but not as difficult as 800-10,000m.

No way is Lagat touching those times in the 3000+. I don't even think he would claim it.

800 - 1:42.9

1500 - n/a

Mile - 3:44

3000 - 7:26

5000 - 12:45

10,000 - 26:55

HM - 59:00

Marathon - 2:07

birdbeard wrote:

No way is Lagat touching those times in the 3000+. I don't even think he would claim it.

800 - 1:42.9

1500 - n/a

Mile - 3:44

3000 - 7:26

5000 - 12:45

10,000 - 26:55

HM - 59:00

Marathon - 2:07

You have lagat too fast for 800 and too slow for 5000

douglas burke wrote:

mikehammer wrote:

He ran 12-53 at the age of 36(?)

I'd have him down as a sub 12-40 athlete in his prime

I don't know how the figures translated to the marathon but I would guess about 2-03

For the 800m I would estimate 1-44

Just guessing

800- Sub 1:44

1500 3:26. 34

Mile Under3:44

3000- 7:22

5000- 12:38

10000- 26:22

Steeple 7 :52 if he concentrated on it

Half marathon 57:20 in Super shoes on Perfect Day

Marathon under 2:03

All IF in Perfect Conditions With The NEW Super Shoes, He is K. Bekele, GEB, D. Komen, Cheptegui, El G, J. Kiplimo, J Ingebrigtsen, Morcelli type talent. Laugh at Ingebrightsen being in this group, but 7-8 years down the road you will see.

I'd laugh at Geb, Bekele, Kiplimo & Cheptegei being in that group more than Jakob TBH. They're nothing @1500 and below.

Geb was good at 1500

Good? Both Teare & Hocker are better then Geb in the 1500.

forget something? wrote:

Good? Both Teare & Hocker are better then Geb in the 1500.

Geb was good at 1500 without training for the 1500.

Geb only dabbled at 1500 but he was good enough to win world indoors and come close to wr indoors

333 outdoors , was probably capable of 330 high with the shoes and Epo

forget something? wrote:

Good? Both Teare & Hocker are better then Geb in the 1500.

PS: he ran 3:31 indoors.

forget something? wrote:

Good? Both Teare & Hocker are better then Geb in the 1500.

No they aren’t, and it isn’t even close even though he didn’t train for it and rarely raced it.

mikehammer wrote:

Geb only dabbled at 1500 but he was good enough to win world indoors and come close to wr indoors

333 outdoors , was probably capable of 330 high with the shoes and Epo

Lol. "only dabbled" at at. Great excuse. In the meantime he's run more 1500/miles than Teare & Hocker combined.

3:30 high with the shoes & EPO?? What exactly do you think he was on besides high test EPO??

You mean he's 3:37 without EPO?

Teare and Hocker lol

Murph800 wrote:

forget something? wrote:

Good? Both Teare & Hocker are better then Geb in the 1500.

PS: he ran 3:31 indoors.

How old was Geb when he ran 3:31? How old are Hocker & Teare and already have a 3:33?? What was Gebs 1500/mile PR when he was 19? Yeah, I thought so.

Geb Lol.

mikehammer wrote:

Teare and Hocker lol

He clearly doesn’t know anything about track based on him saying they are better at 1500m than Geb. Just laugh at the idiocy and move on.

birdbeard wrote:

No way is Lagat touching those times in the 3000+. I don't even think he would claim it.

800 - 1:42.9

1500 - n/a

Mile - 3:44

3000 - 7:26

5000 - 12:45

10,000 - 26:55

HM - 59:00

Marathon - 2:07

Pretty reasonable estimations I would think, but he might be a bit slower over 800, maybe 1:44.0. I believe he’s in the same mold as Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Hicham El Guerrouj, who are able to stretch relatively modest 800 ability into incredible 1500m times, perhaps with some pharmaceutical assistance.

I’d guess:

1:44.0

3:26.34

3:43.4

4:46.5

7:25.0

12:46

26:55

59:00 - Sounds pretty accurate with modern shoes. Ten years ago I would have thought slower but now we’re living in 57:3X world.

2:07

2:12 at age 45. Age-grading calculator predicts a 2:03 in his prime. Ok, that’s maybe too fast, but do you really think Lagat in his prime could not do better than Khannouchi, Hall and Rupp? Of course he would.

Wise Old Man wrote:

Doping aside....

How fast would Lagat have run a marathon in his prime if he trained for it and had super shoes? Sub 2:05? Sub 2:03?

How fast would he have run an 800 if he trained for it and had super spikes? Sub 1:45?

He ran sub 1:47 in the last 800m of the 2004 Olympics losing to Hicham. Probably 1:43 at the slowest