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high school xc coach wrote:
6k carnage wrote:
Is this a college thing? dont see it to that degree in HS,
do they have the ability to withstand extreme discomfort to the point of collapse?
Or did they just blow up on the last 1km?
this happens constantly w high school girls in the area where i coach
Yeah girls collapsing was a meme on my highschool team. The girls would really be out here running 23-24 minute 5ks and falling over the finish line.
At region my senior year 6/7 of our varsity girls fell across the finish (let it be known that our #1 girl runner who was 2:30 faster than our #2 did not) and placed 4th out of 5 teams. Our boys team placed 2nd out of 5 and had 0 collapsees
CopperRunner wrote:
Yeah girls collapsing was a meme on my highschool team. The girls would really be out here running 23-24 minute 5ks and falling over the finish line.
At region my senior year 6/7 of our varsity girls fell across the finish (let it be known that our #1 girl runner who was 2:30 faster than our #2 did not) and placed 4th out of 5 teams. Our boys team placed 2nd out of 5 and had 0 collapsees
And?
drop it like its hot wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
Also anyone know if any of the girls had muscular issues. There was a good high school Runner who would collapse at the end of high school races. I think she had MS. Or MD muscular dystrophy. Anyway just curious if a few of the runners might have had some condition where they had a difficult time after races in general
That was Kayla Montgomery. Her condition is extremely rare for a runner.
Also Sam Peterman who had neurocardiogenic syncope which basically caused her to pass out at the finish of every race. Managed to make it as far as running for Duke before they shut her down for fear she would die. What guts it takes to stick with the sport when you have to deal with that.
Not Paulo wrote:
You don't "win second". You lose first.
I'll take a Silver medal at NCAA's, Olympics, WC, Conference Champs, USATF's, etc... any day. Heck I'd be proud of a Bronze also.
So you do win second and/or third. Only media personalities and couch potatoes have a problem with 2nd or 3rd.
It also seemed like a lot of freshman finished worse compared to their teammates during this race.
Neglia - usually well in front of Hofstad, finished behind her by 17 seconds
Mazza-Downie - finished 2 seconds ahead of Larkin at Conference, 6 seconds behind Larkin at Battle Born, 27 seconds behind Larkin at NCAAs
Smith - usually not far behind Gear, Gray, and Morris, 26 seconds behind Gray
Dudek - enough said
Modin Engesaeth - enough said
Halladay - had some great races earlier where she stuck with some of BYU's top runners, was BYU's 7th
Hart - DNF (2 of 3 DNFs were by freshmen)
Those of you from CA may remember Holland Reynolds from SF University High School at the state meet in 2010. The video went viral and became the inspiration for a documentary, "Running for Jim."
Yesterday x30 or more such stories.
JNathletics wrote:
Not Paulo wrote:
You don't "win second". You lose first.
I'll take a Silver medal at NCAA's, Olympics, WC, Conference Champs, USATF's, etc... any day. Heck I'd be proud of a Bronze also.
So you do win second and/or third. Only media personalities and couch potatoes have a problem with 2nd or 3rd.
The fact that second and third are even celebrated is completely arbitrary. Why not top 2? Why not top 10? The number you celebrate at the top of the Field depends on field size. Winning does not. Winning is not arbitrary. You were the best of all that competed. You “win” second as much as you “win” DFL. Sure, second is better than DFL, but both are arbitrary places compared to the champion.
Dudek was on crutches after the races. Presumably something happened during the race or she was dealing with an injury coming in. Donaghu was in 3rd with 300m to go, about 2 seconds back, and barely made it across the finish line losing a ton of time and places. She actually did nearly the same at Pac-12s. She made a massive late effort there to catch Herberg (who was up 20 secs with 2km to go) and caught her with about 300m to go. Given her momentum, it looked like she was going to blitz by, but ended up locking up with 200m to go like she did at NCAAs and lost 7 seconds to Herberg in that final 200m. It didn't get more attention because she still held on for second and the collapse was slightly less severe (but not by much). As accomplished as Donaghu is, I'm going to assume that she just really dug deep in both races and paid the price with 200-300m to go each time.
bigmig19 wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
you can get a glimpse of her at the finish and she was on fumes. And Donaghu (much earlier). Not sure what happened to those two.
Dudek was injured. Not sure what happened to their number one, she looked really good at about 5k and lost control of her body at about 5.6 k. Feels like a Bermuda triangle out there in that last half k.
The CSU number one who lost so many places was badly spiked.
Also interesting is that after one k MSU was dead last.
This video shows the BYU runners crossing the line:
Orton limping in. Their #4 dropping like she's shot. Their #7 falling 15m short and crawling.
Surprisingly to me, almost half the field ran their final K faster than their 3rd K. Most of these were toward the rear of the field, and ran conservatively. But also 22 of the top 30 finishers including the top 8. The field was only 5 seconds slower on the 6th K vs the 3rd K, but 18 seconds slower on the 5th K vs the 2nd K.
good video, thanks for sharing
xc-fan wrote:
This video shows the BYU runners crossing the line:
Orton limping in. Their #4 dropping like she's shot. Their #7 falling 15m short and crawling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FjJdcqEG6M
why was coach Taylor dressed up like a bouncer from a goth nightclub? shes such a contrast to the pretty little mostly blonde BYU runners with their hair ribbons and sparkling teeth. Ive always appreciated that.
Donaghu pushed herself so far into the red at the finish that she collapsed and had to be carried from the finish line. She looked like she would fall approaching the line. Maximum effort.
The course and the pace really took a toil. Saw a number of runners limping at the line, including Orton.
Dudek could be seen throughout the broadcast. She was with the front pack around the 2 km mark, then could be seen with the second chase group, then could be seen crossing the finish line. She did not apoear injured, but a number of the runners appeared to become injured during the race, so who can say. It was a tough course and a number of runners fell off. Orton went from 1sr to 17th. Herberg went from 1st to 55th. Etc. It was a tough course to have a bad race on.
astro wrote:
Donaghu pushed herself so far into the red at the finish that she collapsed and had to be carried from the finish line. She looked like she would fall approaching the line. Maximum effort.
The course and the pace really took a toil. Saw a number of runners limping at the line, including Orton.
Dudek could be seen throughout the broadcast. She was with the front pack around the 2 km mark, then could be seen with the second chase group, then could be seen crossing the finish line. She did not apoear injured, but a number of the runners appeared to become injured during the race, so who can say. It was a tough course and a number of runners fell off. Orton went from 1sr to 17th. Herberg went from 1st to 55th. Etc. It was a tough course to have a bad race on.
Several runners covered the last K in about 5 minutes. Tough finish.
FastTuohy wrote:
Surprisingly to me, almost half the field ran their final K faster than their 3rd K. Most of these were toward the rear of the field, and ran conservatively. But also 22 of the top 30 finishers including the top 8. The field was only 5 seconds slower on the 6th K vs the 3rd K, but 18 seconds slower on the 5th K vs the 2nd K.
What was the measured distances of those kilometers you mentioned?
Interestingly MSU which finished 4th was dead last at 1 km. Don't think I've ever seen that before.
Help me to understand? wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
Surprisingly to me, almost half the field ran their final K faster than their 3rd K. Most of these were toward the rear of the field, and ran conservatively. But also 22 of the top 30 finishers including the top 8. The field was only 5 seconds slower on the 6th K vs the 3rd K, but 18 seconds slower on the 5th K vs the 2nd K.
What was the measured distances of those kilometers you mentioned?
I do not know, but the 2nd and 5th K are the same route, as are the 3rd and 6th for all intents and purposes.