rememberer wrote: Well, just as expected Cheserek and Knight are going nowhere and Fisher is so far ahead and so much better than both now.
What about Knight makes you say he’s going nowhere? Is it that he made the WC 5k final in 2019? Is it that he won the NBIGP 2mi. in 8:13.9 over Klecker and McDonald—or that he followed that up with a convincing 3:36 1500 win over 1500 specialists at the Texas Trials? Or is it that he hasn’t lost a race in over 17 months? Just curious.
J Knight has a history of showing up the 1500 lads. See the Bryan Clay 1500 from any year. That guy is def soft trolling, it's hard to doubt someone as consistent as Knight.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
rememberer wrote: Well, just as expected Cheserek and Knight are going nowhere and Fisher is so far ahead and so much better than both now.
What about Knight makes you say he’s going nowhere? Is it that he made the WC 5k final in 2019? Is it that he won the NBIGP 2mi. in 8:13.9 over Klecker and McDonald—or that he followed that up with a convincing 3:36 1500 win over 1500 specialists at the Texas Trials? Or is it that he hasn’t lost a race in over 17 months? Just curious.
Yup, that's the peak of his career. 9th in a WC final. Guess its better than the average hobby jogger. Did you mean the 2 mile he won barely over Klecker? The Klecker that just got absolutely demolished by Fisher? The Klecker who finds it much harder to run indoors than Knight because Klecker is fugin huge?
A convincing 3:36 over who? He won over nobodies. Wake me up when he beats a Hoare or Kerr in a 1500. Yes, he is going nowhere.
Wait, did you say Knight ran 3:36 recently?? Can you post a link to that?
rememberer wrote:
Wait, did you say Knight ran 3:36 recently?? Can you post a link to that?
Fine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRto43Og0jg&t=58m25sOMG. He barely won an outdoor 1500 in high 3:36 vs Bartelsmeyer and this is going forwards?
rememberer wrote:
OMG. He barely won an outdoor 1500 in high 3:36 vs Bartelsmeyer and this is going forwards?
I'm not sure what your deal is dude. Knight has shown nothing to indicate that he's regressing, and hasn't lost a race all year. He WILL make the olympics, and he will most likely make the 5k final. Unfortunately we can't say the same for Fisher since the US is obviously much deeper than Canada.
I'm a certified Fisher fanboy, but this is just ridiculous Knight bashing for absolutely no reason.
What's my deal? My deal is that it was clearly stated by the Cheserek & Knight fanboys just a couple of years ago that Fisher is a nobody and Knight & Cheserek are the future. And here we are with Fisher already far better. I won't stop until all of the Knight & Cheserek fanboys apologize and admit Fisher is the better athlete.
rememberer wrote:
What's my deal? My deal is that it was clearly stated by the Cheserek & Knight fanboys just a couple of years ago that Fisher is a nobody and Knight & Cheserek are the future. And here we are with Fisher already far better. I won't stop until all of the Knight & Cheserek fanboys apologize and admit Fisher is the better athlete.
As the head Fisher fanboy on this board, I will not put up with unneeded Knight slander.
Yes, bash Ches, Drew Hunter, etc (hell, even Morgan McDonald) but Knight is actually doing well and has shown no signs of stagnation. It just makes you look uninformed.
Definitely not penciling Fisher in for 12:53 for another two years+ but he is certainly the most exciting talent since Rupp and Lagat.
birdbeard wrote:
Definitely not penciling Fisher in for 12:53 for another two years+ but he is certainly the most exciting talent since Rupp and Lagat.
ETA: most exciting American talent, that is
birdbeard wrote:
Definitely not penciling Fisher in for 12:53 for another two years+ but he is certainly the most exciting talent since Rupp and Lagat.
Yeah I agree that 12:53 is a little rich this year. But 12:57ish I think is absolutely doable in the right race. Now, will Jerry keep giving these guys more fast races this year? That, I'm not so sure of.
rememberer wrote:
What's my deal? My deal is that it was clearly stated by the Cheserek & Knight fanboys just a couple of years ago that Fisher is a nobody and Knight & Cheserek are the future. And here we are with Fisher already far better. I won't stop until all of the Knight & Cheserek fanboys apologize and admit Fisher is the better athlete.
I don’t think a single soul has seriously said that Fisher is a nobody. Cheserek is dealing with his injury problems but has shown steps in the right direction recently.
Knight is a great talent and his future lies in the 10k. He is doing extremely well and will represent Canada well at the olympics.
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rememberer wrote:
What's my deal? My deal is that it was clearly stated by the Cheserek & Knight fanboys just a couple of years ago that Fisher is a nobody and Knight & Cheserek are the future. And here we are with Fisher already far better. I won't stop until all of the Knight & Cheserek fanboys apologize and admit Fisher is the better athlete.
As the head Fisher fanboy on this board, I will not put up with unneeded Knight slander.
Yes, bash Ches, Drew Hunter, etc (hell, even Morgan McDonald) but Knight is actually doing well and has shown no signs of stagnation. It just makes you look uninformed.
Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon. Best 5000 is 13:09 in 2019. No indication he's beating that any time soon. Especially after a lowly 7:44 3000 last month. But thanks for your input uninformed boy.
Hot take. I think the American record is a bit too tall of an order for this year, but he's fantastic and a lock-in for the Olympic team, and at the rate he's going I think he's got an outside chance at a medal. His early and powerful kick last night proves he can throw down with the Africans in a 12:50-13:00 paced race, which is what it takes to be a serious medal contender
tigers wrote:
rememberer wrote:
What's my deal? My deal is that it was clearly stated by the Cheserek & Knight fanboys just a couple of years ago that Fisher is a nobody and Knight & Cheserek are the future. And here we are with Fisher already far better. I won't stop until all of the Knight & Cheserek fanboys apologize and admit Fisher is the better athlete.
I don’t think a single soul has seriously said that Fisher is a nobody. Cheserek is dealing with his injury problems but has shown steps in the right direction recently.
Knight is a great talent and his future lies in the 10k. He is doing extremely well and will represent Canada well at the olympics.
BS. Do you really want me to waste time and dig up those vomit-inducing posts from a couple of years ago? Ah, so now 10k? OK.
rememberer wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
What about Knight makes you say he’s going nowhere? Is it that he made the WC 5k final in 2019? Is it that he won the NBIGP 2mi. in 8:13.9 over Klecker and McDonald—or that he followed that up with a convincing 3:36 1500 win over 1500 specialists at the Texas Trials? Or is it that he hasn’t lost a race in over 17 months? Just curious.
Yup, that's the peak of his career. 9th in a WC final. Guess its better than the average hobby jogger. Did you mean the 2 mile he won barely over Klecker? The Klecker that just got absolutely demolished by Fisher? The Klecker who finds it much harder to run indoors than Knight because Klecker is fugin huge?
A convincing 3:36 over who? He won over nobodies. Wake me up when he beats a Hoare or Kerr in a 1500. Yes, he is going nowhere.
Destroyed? Fisher did great but he did not destroy Klecker. Klecker ran 13:06. Fisher ran a 55 last lap but guess what. Klecker was already two seconds behind him at the Bell. Klecker only lost two seconds on him while having what was clearly not his best kick.
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rememberer wrote:
OMG. He barely won an outdoor 1500 in high 3:36 vs Bartelsmeyer and this is going forwards?
I'm not sure what your deal is dude. Knight has shown nothing to indicate that he's regressing, and hasn't lost a race all year. He WILL make the olympics, and he will most likely make the 5k final. Unfortunately we can't say the same for Fisher since the US is obviously much deeper than Canada.
I'm a certified Fisher fanboy, but this is just ridiculous Knight bashing for absolutely no reason.
Grant's a lock for the Olympic team. After last night I'd put him as my favorite to win the trials. He has a stronger early kick than any other American, even Chelimo. Although with perfect pacing I'd say Chelimo is still faster.
rememberer wrote:
Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon. Best 5000 is 13:09 in 2019. No indication he's beating that any time soon. Especially after a lowly 7:44 3000 last month. But thanks for your input uninformed boy.
Right, that “lowly 7:44” en route to an 8:13.9y NBIGP win with a 54.9 last 440y to cap a 4:02 second mile. You’re an absolute joke.
bugattiaron wrote:
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I'm not sure what your deal is dude. Knight has shown nothing to indicate that he's regressing, and hasn't lost a race all year. He WILL make the olympics, and he will most likely make the 5k final. Unfortunately we can't say the same for Fisher since the US is obviously much deeper than Canada.
I'm a certified Fisher fanboy, but this is just ridiculous Knight bashing for absolutely no reason.
Grant's a lock for the Olympic team. After last night I'd put him as my favorite to win the trials. He has a stronger early kick than any other American, even Chelimo. Although with perfect pacing I'd say Chelimo is still faster.
I honestly think the US 5k is way too deep to say anyone's a "lock". But Fisher is certainly a heavy, heavy favorite. You never know what can happen on race day.