Jakob Ingebrigtsen Wins, Then Loses (Is Dqd), Then Wins Euro 1500 Title

IDK he probably spaffed so hard that there were no Kenyans in the race that he blew himself over the Mediterranean. We may never hear from him again.

Absolute nonsense.

Home town decision to cheat Jakob out of gold and hand it to Lewandowski.

Doesn't matter at end of day, Jakob showed he could handle him in a Championship race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSkii4Xggo

JohnnyS wrote:

What happened? wrote:

Didn't see the race video but it sounds like he stepped inside the inside border. Did he get tripped up or was it just a lapse of footing?

I've noticed in previous races that his passing is generally suspect at best. I'm assuming that was part of the issue again today. Would love to get confirmation from someone who saw the race.

Yes, absurd attempt at an inside pass in a curve when there was no space. Ended up with one foot on the other side of the line

There was absolutely no need for him to do that stupid move. Inexperience literally cost him the title.

He had everything going for him:

1) His shoes (dragonfly spike prototype) were far superior.

2) Lewandowski is aging, 33 years and VO2MAX going down year after year puts him at a clear disadvantage.

3) Due to COVID, there were extremely few spectators so the massive "home crowd advantage" that Lewandowski would have had was pretty much non-existent.

4) His PR, as well as season best were far superior to Lewandowski and the others.

All he had to do was go to the front right at the start and don't get mixed caught inside in 5th place. Then he noticed that Lewandowski is going to run super slow so he can kick at the end and was in a hurry to get to the front, collided with the other Polish runner who rightfully didn't make room for him (why should he?) and stepped outside. Absolutely fair DQ, there is like zero reason why a challenge would ever be accepted.

I admit that Jakob was fitter and would have won, but he lost due to his inexperience and own mistakes. Just because it's indoor and turns are tight does not mean he can do whatever he wants and forget about rules.

Coevett wrote:

Absolute nonsense.

Home town decision to cheat Jakob out of gold and hand it to Lewandowski.

Doesn't matter at end of day, Jakob showed he could handle him in a Championship race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSkii4Xggo

He pretty clearly gets cutoff and shouldered off the track by the other Polish runner. He will win this appeal.

Jakob was cheating and got DQ'ed. Rule TR17.3.2

Good luck trying to over-tune camera proof. I never said he isn't the fitter runner, I said his inexperience will cost him the title in some way and it did.

DON'T STEP ON THE INSIDE!

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I don´t think he was cheating and it was not an advantage for him but he was stepping on the inside. So the disqualification will possibly be maintained.

But he was still by far the strongest runner in the field. Lew could do nothing even though Jakob served him as a rabbitt for most of the race.

You can see that the other big Pole was trying to impede him and forced Jakob to lose balance and inadvertently touch the rail.

Typical East Europeans same as they were in the Moscow 800 final with Ovett and Coe.

JBaller33 wrote:

He pretty clearly gets cutoff and shouldered off the track by the other Polish runner. He will win this appeal.

+1

Gjert is appealing the decision right now.

We'll see what happens.

Why are you using Jakob getting DQ’d as evidence that you were right that lewandowski would win? You said Marcin would destroy Jakob in a kick! That did not happen

objectiveobserver wrote:

Jakob was cheating and got DQ'ed. Rule TR17.3.2

Good luck trying to over-tune camera proof. I never said he isn't the fitter runner, I said his inexperience will cost him the title in some way and it did.

DON'T STEP ON THE INSIDE!

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I don´t think he was cheating and it was not an advantage for him but he was stepping on the inside. So the disqualification will possibly be maintained.

But he was still by far the strongest runner in the field. Lew could do nothing even though Jakob served him as a rabbitt for most of the race.

Yeah, but there was one guy in the other thread who got laughed at by saying that Lewandowski actually got more chances to win in the 3000m (and become the very first person to ever win gold in 800m, 1500m, and 3000m EU indoor) which might now become true. Jakob will be mentally crushed from losing Gold due to a stupid mistake by him whereas Lewandowski will smell the chance to write history and to win 2x Gold and he always has his kick to rely on. Today the pace Jakob set was just too fast for him, you could see that Lewandowski was really struggling just to keep up and he had absolutely nothing left at the end.

So you’re now admitting that Marcin is not as fast as Jakob?

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Coevett wrote:

You can see that the other big Pole was trying to impede him and forced Jakob to lose balance and inadvertently touch the rail.

Typical East Europeans same as they were in the Moscow 800 final with Ovett and Coe.

No, you can't see that because there was no rail there.

Jacob clearly impeded Gourley, the British athlete, at the start - pushing him back as they set off. Not sure if that's DQ behaviour, but very poor form. The Brit didn't recover. Jacob also clearly grapples with the Polish runner from behind before they start pushing each other / step off the track incident.

Dairyland wrote:

Why are you using Jakob getting DQ’d as evidence that you were right that lewandowski would win? You said Marcin would destroy Jakob in a kick! That did not happen

No, I admitted that he lost fair. Lewandowski also accepted his defeat and congratulated Jakob who found a way to beat him (go to the front early, keep a very hard pace, "run the kick out of him"). Lewandowski could not beat him in a kick because he had nothing left. A fast-twitch runner who has to use all his anaerobic energy just to stay on pace has no kick left. If you watch the race again, you could see that Lewandowski was falling back to 4:00+ 1500m pace when he was leading in the beginning, he wanted to make it as slow as possible so it becomes a 400 TT at the end which he would win with enough energy left.

The DQ is fair, Jakob tried to pass on the inside why would the 2nd Polish runner let him pass there? He was going for a medal himself. Then he tripped and stepped outside of the track which is a DQ. Without that, Jakob might have had more problems to go to the front that early and Lewandowski could have kept up the "4:40/mile jogging" a bit longer which might have given him the edge.

All he had to do was go to the front right at the start and don't get mixed caught inside in 5th place. Then he noticed that Lewandowski is going to run super slow so he can kick at the end and was in a hurry to get to the front, collided with the other Polish runner who rightfully didn't make room for him (why should he?) and stepped outside. Absolutely fair DQ, there is like zero reason why a challenge would ever be accepted.

I admit that Jakob was fitter and would have won, but he lost due to his inexperience and own mistakes. Just because it's indoor and turns are tight does not mean he can do whatever he wants and forget about rules.

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I agree: The disqualification will be upheld. And it was stupid of Jakob to go so close to the inside BUT.........

You stated several times shortly ago that Lew would hold Jakob´s back oversprinting him in the finish. Do you acknowledge that you were wrong?

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Jakob (and Filip) should learn once and for all: Always pass on the outside.

Tim93 wrote:

Jacob clearly impeded Gourley, the British athlete, at the start - pushing him back as they set off. Not sure if that's DQ behaviour, but very poor form. The Brit didn't recover. Jacob also clearly grapples with the Polish runner from behind before they start pushing each other / step off the track incident.

I've been watching a lot of track races in the last few years, and the Ingebrigtsen's as good as they are often push other runners, pass on insides, and general exhibit "rough, unsportmanslike" behavior. Especially small/weak Africans often get pushed away by them, they use their physical superiority (as in bigger body/weight) against them.

I understand that 1500m races are supposed to be rough but there is a line that should not be crossed. There was 0 need in this race for Jakob to do that in this race, he was far fitter than anyone else literally all he had to do was play to the rules, avoid any possibility for DQ and run his own race and he would have won (and kept!) Gold.

Coevett wrote:

Absolute nonsense.

Home town decision to cheat Jakob out of gold and hand it to Lewandowski.

Doesn't matter at end of day, Jakob showed he could handle him in a Championship race.

It's defiintely not 'absolute nonsense.'

As I watching this, I thought to myself at the start. "What the hell is he doing pushing all these guys?" Then on the 2nd turn i thought, "Did he just step on the infield?"

Now he's been DQd.

I hate useless DQs and think our sport needs to have other penalties. Like if you step over the rail, you add .50 seconds or something. That being said, the push at the start was totally unnecessary. He didn't even try to get out aggressively, He just extended his arm out and then proceeded to get himselx boxed. If you are going to push, push for a reason and at least get out aggressively so you don't run into trouble on the next turn.

On the next turn, he went on the in field but you it happened after contact. Yes the Polish guy comes down on him but it looks like Jakob was clearly trying to pass the guy when he didn't have room to do that.

He clearly steps on the field at the 20 second mark.

When I see the race again it looks like Rozmys is shifting lane and running into Jakob in the start of the turn.

There might be a chance to change the disqualification.

Remember, the Ingebrigtsens have a history of doing this crap.FIlip was DQd 2 years ago for th same thing and Jakob almost got DQd at worlds last year.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/09/jakob-ingebrigtsen-the-betting-favorite-and-19-yr-old-norwegian-5000-is-dqd-from-mens-5000-at-world-championships/