U of O Men: Rivaling their best Mid-D team Ever??

Dr Yuengling wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Doesn’t really matter, pace the man/I am Woman, it’s obvious that they could have run faster than 2:49/3:54 based on their results in open 1500s later in the year.

I don’t know how obvious it is. Centro never ran faster than 3:41 in a college 1500. I don’t know that running 3:34 the summer after college necessarily means he was better than 2:49/3:54 during the winter. He ran the mile leg of a 926 dmr his senior year at pac12 indoors. Idk his split, but that’s a quick time so it seems likely that he was running close to all out and that that would be a good representation of what he could run at that time.

Centro ran 3:36 in college

dingus of the hour wrote:

Dr Yuengling wrote:

I don’t know how obvious it is. Centro never ran faster than 3:41 in a college 1500. I don’t know that running 3:34 the summer after college necessarily means he was better than 2:49/3:54 during the winter. He ran the mile leg of a 926 dmr his senior year at pac12 indoors. Idk his split, but that’s a quick time so it seems likely that he was running close to all out and that that would be a good representation of what he could run at that time.

Centro ran 3:36 in college

People are forgetting their 2015 outdoor roster was actually the most loaded in terms of depth..

You had:

Cheserek -NCAA mile champ and future record holder

These guys in their senior years:

Erik Jenkins

Johnny Gregorek

Colby Alexander

Daniel Winn

Will Geoghegan

Plus freshman Blank Hany who didn't run super fast but placed 3rd at NCAAs in the 1500

Sam Prakel would've been on the roster too though still an underclassman.

I am Woman wrote:

How many NCAA titles did Centro win? Did he win every 1500 and mile title while in college? He would be the 5th best miler on the team today. He may do better outdoor but that is not what we are talking about.

Centro won in 2011 (plus USAs and the world bronze all while still having eligibility). Finished behind Wheating as part of the blanket 1-2-3 oregon finish in 2010 a month or two before Wheating ran 3:30 in Monaco.

It’s very impressive. Will be amazing to see what they can do at nats. It really would be wild to do a full on comparison with the years because they have had 3 different crazy sets of depth on the team.

People may forget that the year they went 1/2/3 in 1500 Wheating ran his 3:30 and 3:51 later that summer, and Acosta ran 3:36 and 3:53 as well. Just so much talent running through the program.

Team 1: Rupp/Centro/Wheating/Kiptoo/Acosta/McNamara.

Team 2: Cheserek/Jenkins/Geoghagen/Gregorek/Elkaim/Stinson/Leingang

Team 3: Teare/Hocker/Hunter/Brown/West/Peralta

insane depth I still think 2014-15 was the most impressive. In the 3k alone they had this stack:

Jenkins 7:44

Cheserek 7:44

Geoghagen 7:45

Jeremy Elkaim 7:48

Stinson 7:52

Jake Leingang 7:53

Gregorek 7:54

Current team is better. They are just getting started.

I hope the current people are better. Would have a lot to look forward to as far as US Mid-distance future is concerned then.

Unfortunately, the world is better also.

2 the gills!!

Also, BOING BOING BOING!!

0202020 wrote:

Centro and Wheating are kind of freak cases in opposite directions. Absent Centro's one meet where he got bronze and Wheating's freak race in Monaco where he ran 3:30. Before those summers, were they that insane?

If, say, Teare wins 5000/3000 indoors; wins 5000 outdoors; Hunter wins indoor mile; James West and Hunter are 1/2 in some order in 1500 outdoors, Reed Brown gets on the podium in mile and 1500; Hocker is on the podium in 3000 and 5000 as a true soph

I think that's clearly as good of a crew as they've ever had.

The team as a whole is insane, but these guys individually can't hold a candle individually to Centro/Wheating in the 1500/mile.

First of all, I'm discounting all victories indoors if the fields are diluted because of XC. If Grijalva or the Iowa state guy isn't at NCAA indoors, then i don't care who wins the 3k/5k.

You guys realize Andrew Wheating made the Olympics in the 800 as a sophomore in 2008, by running 1:4503? None of these guys have anything close to that type of speed for 800.

During his senior year in 2010, Wheating ran 3:30.90 less than 6 weeks after NCAAs. He also ran 144.56 that year. Wheating would destroy these guys in both a championship and time trial 1500.

In 2011, Centro won a WC bronze medal the year he won the NCAA 1500 title. Get back to me when one of these guys make the Olympic final this year. I'm not saying that's impossible for them to happen but a medal isn't happening.

But the more I type , the more I guess I'm ignoring the question raised by the OP. Are the 4-5 guys combined worth more than Wheating, Centro and Acosta? If they deliver them a team title outdoors I guess you can say so as Oregon never won in track outdoors during that era, right?

And are we ignoring Rupp? Indoors in 2009, Rupp and Wheating outscored the rest of the NCAA. Rupp got 30 with a little help from the DMR guys as he won the 5000, 3000 and anchored the DMR, while Wheating got 8 in the 800 (and ran a leg on the DMR). Flroida was 2nd in with 36 points.

Here is the homepage after that meet.

I do run run run wrote:

It’s very impressive. Will be amazing to see what they can do at nats. It really would be wild to do a full on comparison with the years because they have had 3 different crazy sets of depth on the team.

People may forget that the year they went 1/2/3 in 1500 Wheating ran his 3:30 and 3:51 later that summer, and Acosta ran 3:36 and 3:53 as well. Just so much talent running through the program.

Team 1: Rupp/Centro/Wheating/Kiptoo/Acosta/McNamara.

Team 2: Cheserek/Jenkins/Geoghagen/Gregorek/Elkaim/Stinson/Leingang

Team 3: Teare/Hocker/Hunter/Brown/West/Peralta

insane depth I still think 2014-15 was the most impressive. In the 3k alone they had this stack:

Jenkins 7:44

Cheserek 7:44

Geoghagen 7:45

Jeremy Elkaim 7:48

Stinson 7:52

Jake Leingang 7:53

Gregorek 7:54

Great post.

poor bo wrote:

The Oregon top 10 record board will reflect it when they are done. The times will all be from 2021-2023.

i don't give a sh**f people get jacked up to run fast in some meaningless race on January 31st. Let's see how the big meets play out although with the xc dilution it may play into their hands. If I was a sprint school, I'd be irate about xc going on right now.

The 2015 was absolutely devastating. Consider indoor NCAA...the distance guys scored 70 points. Has any other squad ever come close to that? Doubt it very much.

DMR...1st Colby Alexander 1200, Cheserek 1600

Mile...Cheserek 1st, Gregorek 4th, Daniel Winn 6th

3000...Jenkins 1st, Cheserek 2nd, Geohegan 3rd, Parker Stinson 9th

5000...Jenkins 1st, Stinson 3rd, Geohegan 7th

People forget that the team had Colby Alexander (3:34 PR) often injured, but qualified for USA final in the 1500 in 2015 and a week later ran 3:36 while still in his senior outdoor season at UO.

Sam Prakel (3:50 mile PR) was an underclassman in 2015. So was Blake Haney.

The Ducks had Winn, Alexander, and Geohegan all qualify for the USA 1500 finals in 2015. Gregorek would have too had he not injured himself at the NCAA meet a few weeks earlier. How often do you see 3 college teammates all qualify for a USATF final in the 1500? Could’ve been 4 with Gregorek.

Chez went on to run 3:49 mile

Gregorek went on to run 3:49 mile

Prakel went on to run 3:50 mile

Alexander went on to run 3:34 in 1500 (3:51 mile equiv).

Jenkins went on to win Wanamaker Mile (3:53) and 5th Ave Mile (3:49). **won over Centro (3:49) and Alexander (3:50)

Winn, Alexander, Gregorek, all made 2016 Olympic Trials 1500 Final.

Stinson went on to set AR in road 25K and also ran a 2:10 Marathon

Jenkins went on to run 3:49, 7:38, 13:05, 27:22.

Chez went on to run 3:49, 7:38, 13:08, 27:23

This was Oregon’s deepest distance squad, if not the best, in their history.

Forgot about Jake Leingang and Jeremy Elkaim...they were on the 2015 squad too. Both were 3000 guys in the 7:48/7:50 range.

When sub 7:50 3K guys are overlooked, you know the team is DEEP!!

Oregon won't ask for your opinion when they rewrite the record board. Every college maintains a top 10 list at their facilities. It is the first thing that fans see. When all of the times are from 2020-2021-2022, you will sound silly standing there claiming that the records are meaningless.

People are forgetting that Cooper Teare ran 13:17 in the 5k recently. That's faster than Ches or Rupp ever ran in college.

Hunter ran the 4th fastest mile in NCAA history (after racing the day before).

Teare and Hocker ran 7:46 (after racing the day before)

Their DMR broke the NCAA record by 5 seconds (and beat the world record).

And this was only their first meet! If Teare and Hocker run the 3k fresh they can break 7:40. Hunter can break 3:52 in the mile.

You got it. People have a hard time moving forward.

driving me crazy wrote:

People are forgetting that Cooper Teare ran 13:17 in the 5k recently. That's faster than Ches or Rupp ever ran in college.

Teare's 13:17.13 outdoors vs Rupp's 13:18.13i vs Chez' 13:18.71 outdoors is arguably splitting hairs, but Teare gets the hat tip, no doubt.

The point of this thread is that the current crop has run amazing times and done some amazing things, but they have a very high bar to clear with regard to both times, wins and nat/intl accomplishments. Those advocating for the previous two teams as being better don't necessarily doubt the current crop will succeed them, they're just not going to fanboi proclaim it yet.

Westlake Tavern Pizza wrote:

driving me crazy wrote:

People are forgetting that Cooper Teare ran 13:17 in the 5k recently. That's faster than Ches or Rupp ever ran in college.

Teare's 13:17.13 outdoors vs Rupp's 13:18.13i vs Chez' 13:18.71 outdoors is arguably splitting hairs, but Teare gets the hat tip, no doubt.

The point of this thread is that the current crop has run amazing times and done some amazing things, but they have a very high bar to clear with regard to both times, wins and nat/intl accomplishments. Those advocating for the previous two teams as being better don't necessarily doubt the current crop will succeed them, they're just not going to fanboi proclaim it yet.

“Yes,” to all of this.

I can easily imagine Teare being on the Kennedy/Rupp/Tegenkamp tier, and it wouldn’t be a shocker if Hocker proves even better.

It is a fact that Teare has run faster at 5k than Rupp and Cheserek did in college, but even so I must quibble a bit that it’s important to contextualize things.

Teare’s 13:17 came in a time-trial style event with pros ostensibly gunning for the Olympic standard, and he was beaten by a fellow outstanding collegian who also ran a big PR.

Rupp’s 13:18i was an American indoor record at the time, and he placed a close second to Ethiopia’s Bekana Daba, who had run 13:04 the previous summer and would run 12:59 in July of that year. This report gives a 2k split of 5:23, meaning 7:55 for the last 3k:

Also worth noting that he ran 27:33 for 10,000 back in ‘07, when he was 20 years old.

Cheserek’s 13:18 was run at the NCAA championships to place 2nd to Lawi Lalang in what LetsRun dubbed “The greatest 5,000m race in NCAA history”:

Lalang beat Ches by .35” and a lot of people saw it as an upset, as Cheserek was developing an air of invincibility, even though Lalang already had 3:33.2/13:00 PRs at that point. The LetsRun article gives Lalang’s closing splits as 4:09/56.7 for the last 1600/400. And Cheserek already had a 10k win in his legs from 2 nights prior.

I’m not claiming that Teare won’t have the best 5k career of the 3, only that Rupp and Cheserek could definitely have time-trialed 13:17 (13:10?) outdoors in college, and that it’s important to contextualize things.

Dr Yuengling wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

[quote]I am Woman wrote:

How fast did they run 1200/1600 split in college?

I don’t know how obvious it is. Centro never ran faster than 3:41 in a college 1500.

I remember a 3:36 breakout race in a win at Stanford as a sophomore (beating Lukezic, who quit a month later). He got a stress fracture and DNF or DNQ at nationals that year.