Who wins in a marathon? 2008 OT Ryan Hall or 2016 OT Galen Rupp?

Rupp is more clutch that Hall ever was. Once again, Hall with super shoes is a 2:04-2:05 guy.

Put Rupp in a time trial like effort where he actually has an incentive to run as fast as he can and he runs 2:02-2:04.

The man ran 09 in Atlanta and wasn’t even trying. Post race interviews said he wasn’t even in shape yet. It’s been shown that the Atlanta trials course is 2-3 minutes slower.

Rupp is clutch, Hall is not. It should not be forgotten that Rupp wasn’t far off from a silver in 2016 instead of a bronze.

He’s so much better than Hall it’s unbelievable.

I'm very surprised by this.

For several years, I have been reading some of the worst insults about the drive, heart and overall tenacity (or lack thereof) about Galen Rupp.

Suddenly, there are direct comparisons to Ryan Hall and Rupp suddenly becomes the Lion King?

What happened?

Stoppit Smith wrote:

I'm very surprised by this.

For several years, I have been reading some of the worst insults about the drive, heart and overall tenacity (or lack thereof) about Galen Rupp.

Suddenly, there are direct comparisons to Ryan Hall and Rupp suddenly becomes the Lion King?

What happened?

An astute observation. This change is due to the Science effect. People by and large have hated Rupp, as evidenced by the last 15 years of comments. However, over time Rupp has "disproven" many assumptions about him, by consistently producing strong results. More and more people have seen the evidence and have properly gotten on board.

Its kinda like how Science slowly disproves aspects of Religion.

The Hate-Rupp Religion has slowly withered away as Rupp makes more and more Running discoveries.

People hate on Rupp because he’s Nike’s poster boy, they hate Salazar, and they buy in way too much to the doping allegations.

I don’t care about that crap.

Rupp proved he was one of the best in the world with consistent top 5 finishes in the 5 and 10k. He proved it with two Olympic medals, multiple American records, and countless trials wins. Let the results speak for themselves. Rupp wins

Rupp is a much better athlete period.

In the Marathon or any distance Rupp is much better than hall.

Rupp has won Olympic medals, won a Major Marathon, has run faster in the Marathon than hall if you take away the downhill, 20 mi x hr tailwind help of Boston.

What about hall? Zero

I would say silly comparison.

Well - considering Ryan would likely be doping, probably Ryan.

Ryan is still the only young stud athlete I have ever seen that retired due to low testosterone. Funny how the one thing he retired over is also the byproduct of abusing testosterone. If you talk to any doctor they will all tell you that a young stud athlete will never get low testosterone of a 70 year old man unless they abuse test.

The fact that Ryan went on to become enormously jacked and shredded just shows that he's back on the juice too. It's criminal!

I hate to split hairs (although I will anyway), but the second half was 1:02:45, not 1:02-low.

It was an incredible race, and I suspect that we never saw Hall in quite the same form (despite his other notable performances and fast times). The one thing that sticks out in my mind was that he actually appeared to have some muscle on his frame, whereas later in his career he looked like an anemic skeleton.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hall had beaten a prime Rupp on that day, although there's no doubt in my mind that Rupp is the better marathoner all things considered.

ten ten wrote:

Well - considering Ryan would likely be doping, probably Ryan.

Ryan is still the only young stud athlete I have ever seen that retired due to low testosterone. Funny how the one thing he retired over is also the byproduct of abusing testosterone. If you talk to any doctor they will all tell you that a young stud athlete will never get low testosterone of a 70 year old man unless they abuse test.

The fact that Ryan went on to become enormously jacked and shredded just shows that he's back on the juice too. It's criminal!

This just shows complete ignorance. You gain testosterone levels by lifting, which is why he was lifting so much. He has an obsessive personality and obviously got carried away. It just goes to show how easily you can get into lifting when all those gym bros are working their butts off.

Also, it's embarrassing. Ryan Hall is one of the few to admit it was low T and also have it diagnosed. Most people either don't know why they stop running well at that age, or they don't want to publicly admit they have low T as an elite athlete.

Why do you think he was so receptive to the idea of adoption?

abcrunning wrote:

Rupp is a much better athlete period.

In the Marathon or any distance Rupp is much better than hall.

Rupp has won Olympic medals, won a Major Marathon, has run faster in the Marathon than hall if you take away the downhill, 20 mi x hr tailwind help of Boston.

What about hall? Zero

I would say silly comparison.

I'd say the lack of trampoline shoes makes up for the lack of downhill Rupp has had. Ryan Hall would have run 2:03 or 2:04 in those shoes the day he went 2:06.

Dairyland wrote:

Hall ran 2:06:17 on a legal course and never came close to it again. All his other results besides backwind Boston are 2:08 or slower. Doesn’t even matter if you say he’s a 2:05 guy with vaporflys, put Rupp in a fast Berlin race with pacers and he runs 2:04-2:02 nbd

End of discussion

When rupp runs that fast you can enter that opinion.

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I'd also like to add about the lifting and Ryan's testosterone...

The reason Ryan got into lifting so much is BECAUSE he didn't want to take synthetic testosterone. So, with his career over he still CHOSE to boost his T naturally when a simple cream would have fixed it. He took the hard way and apparently that means he's cheating?

Ryan Hall's career had so many highs and lows because of his work ethic. He had an INSANE work ethic, and when he was healthy and recovered he crushed his races, but unfortunately it's hard to remain consistent when you're training like that. Rupp is more consistent because he trains more consistently and has had a long, well-planned career to get to this point.

tl;dr Rupp races consistent because he trains consistently. He will consistently run decent marathons. Hall is inconsistent because his health is inconsistent, but his bright spots are brighter.

so truey wrote:

Dairyland wrote:

Hall ran 2:06:17 on a legal course and never came close to it again. All his other results besides backwind Boston are 2:08 or slower. Doesn’t even matter if you say he’s a 2:05 guy with vaporflys, put Rupp in a fast Berlin race with pacers and he runs 2:04-2:02 nbd

End of discussion

When rupp runs that fast you can enter that opinion.

Yeah, exactly. I posted last night to this effect and the Rupp fans didn't reply. Rupp HAS run flat, fast, paced races. What happened in Chicago when the field wasn't watered down for him? Didn't make the podium (eliminating the old 'he runs just fast enough to win; he doesn't care about time' theories) nor run faster tan Hall did on the slower London course. Yes, despite Radciffe's long-standing record, she knew something perfectly flat like Berlin was faster. Geb even told her as much. In fact, it was the Chicago course where Paula's time was finally eclipsed.

The point is, Rupp DOES enter races designed for fast running in one of them - 1 - he ran 10 seconds faster than Hall did on a slower course. We do not need to speculate what Rupp would run in a perfect set-up with the shoes. He's done it. We know. About a minute behind Mo and about the same as Hall.

DirtyT wrote:

What he sees as “Gods help” was actually just a nice tailwind on each of those days. All of Halls PBs can be compared to the super shoes because he had an equivalent time bonus from getting pushed along by wind.

Well, the Trials was a loop course (several loops in fact) and so is London. Did he have a changing tailwind that followed him around on those? The Trials, Boston, and London keep coming up. And the Houston Half. He also has written about USATF XC when he beat the favorites after running the short course the day before. That's another he mentions the spirit being with him. There were various times he felt the force with him, yet all but Boston were not point-to-point and any wind was a hindrance.

Nice try.

When Hall wins an Olympic Medal, then you can participate in speculative threads like this one.

Forgot to mention. Since we are talking about Olympic Trials exclusively, how many Olympic Trials wins does hall have again?

1.

How many Rupp?

2.

And, Rupp dominated both races. Wasnt even close in both 2016 and 2020.

Why, over the last 13 years have we whittled down Ryan Hall's ability to next to nothing in comparison to Galen Rupp?

Are we just going to assess career medals and tell Ryan that he can go home?

Or are we going to look at their speed and endurance in their prime?

If that is the case, then nobody but Phil Knight should have regard for Steve Prefontaine because he didn't get an Olympic medal.

It doesn't mean that one to one, Pre couldn't have beaten Viren.

So what is it?

Do we resent that he switched foci?

Do we suddenly diminish him because his wife is on top now?

Does a 2:04:58= 2:13 now?

Seriously, what?

Ryan Hall was good for all of about 12 minutes! He ran some crazy times then dropped off the map.

FACTS:

1. Galen Rupp has completed 7 marathons and has won 4 of them. He took 2nd in Boston and 3rd at the Olympics behind the GOAT.

2. No American has ever finished within 45 seconds of Galen Rupp in a Marathon Rupp has completed.

3. Don't talk about Hall's fast finishes. Rupp has run a 3:50 Mile, 7:30 3K, 12:58 5k, 26:44 10K. No American is taking down Galen Rupp over the last leg of a marathon.

#FREESALAZAR

His "crazy times" beat Rupp.

i think i solved the problem with runners and their egos.

You only support the ones you LIKE..not who is better.

Piss on that logic.