Why is it that people don't understand that if you just finished a 2:09 marathon, you are just as compromised as me, a 67 year old guy with a heart condition?
Why is it that people don't understand that if you just finished a 2:09 marathon, you are just as compromised as me, a 67 year old guy with a heart condition?
Sorry guy all this is relatively knew even testing research etc. but logically if your community has a high level of spread it’s going to effect if schools in that community are open or stay open. If students are being directed to test (eg kids are sent home sick and required to test) and tests are positive they’re going to shut it down. I’m sure each state varies though but if there’s more spread in your community it’s going to effect if kids are in school or not. Think about it.
Anyone that has tested positive after the event up to now was not infected at the event, would have been prior to getting there or right when they got there if they traveled early.
What would be nice is for the organizers to collect data on if any of the racers happen to test positive in the next 2 weeks. Then make that data public.
Common Cents wrote:
If anything the fact that all of these athletes were exposed proves that running any kind of race right now is way too risky.
So there's the risk of exposure. And then the risk of contracting Covid 19. Which are two different things.
Honestly, at this point, every time I go running, go to the pool, drop my car off to get serviced, or buy groceries I'm sure I'm exposed in some form. That's just a fact of the numbers.
My big concern is not exposure but contracting Covid. And when I'm outside and complying with Covid protocols (i.e. wearing a mask before and after the race, not hanging out at a bar, not chilling out in big groups) I'm not that worried.
I've run several races since the pandemic started. If you told me that someone at each of those races tested positive, I wouldn't be worried. I've basically been assuming that was the case when I raced and have acted accordingly.
+1. rojo isn’t very good at responding to new data that doesn’t align with his preconceived notions. I was excited about this race, glad to see they were taking protocols seriously, but still apprehensive (primarily about the travel). Based on these outcomes, I now wonder whether any events outside of small local ones should take place until community spread is under control (or at least until we develop better protocols for events to further limit the potential for causing further spread, if possible).
I don’t blame the organizers for putting on the event or for the positive tests—folks are going to do what they’re allowed to do, and as long as they’re allowed to they may make a reasonable assumption that it’s safe—but rather our feckless governmental response, which has not only allowed but through lack of support even pressured so many people to make personal decisions that have ultimately led to bad collective outcomes.
If a more effective response restricts our ability to hold events like this, but allows us to save a substantial number of lives and prevent a substantial number of infections in the interim, so be it.
Fact is, hospitals and medical workers are overwhelmed in a lot of places. Whether you consider your own risk high or low doesn't matter for society. As a society, this virus has stressed our systems and crippled certain sectors of the economy.
To deny that COVID is real, deny that it is a risk greater than the "seasonal flu," and deny that the consequences are serious is just willfully ignorant. To claim that the government is restricting your liberty by suggesting people take precautions puts you in the conservative camp, but it's a sham version of conservatism.
A real conservative would take personal responsibility to wear a mask and maintain distance from crowds, not ignore what you should do for your own good and that of your society and then complain when others willingly take steps to protect their communities.
rojo wrote:
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here. . .
While I appreciate your concern and reasoned response, hoping for a better quality discussion after 8 months of moderation tolerating starting multiple daily crank threads seems a bit late to the party.
OH...TX wrote:
rojo wrote:
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here.
Says the guy who runs a message board completely overrun with Covid denial spam. If my hot takes on a pandemic were in direct conflict with almost every epidemiologist, I think I would question whether I was either: (dumb, biased, or ill-informed).
What pandemic? I mean seriously it’s a farce and you losers so afraid of these maskless boogeymen are a disgrace.
Want to freak out over a positive? How many phony cases has the NFL had? Yet no major outbreak of death and disease. How does that work?
The healthcare system deserves to collapse for being so utterly incompetent across the board if .01% brings them to their knees.
Not to mention the Democrats essentially said they don’t care about the elderly.
common-sense wrote:
The one thing I think its now fair to ask the same athletes who found the risk-reward worth it, is that they self-quarantine for 7-10 days and get tested again before going out into their communities again and spreading it to people who had no say in the matter.
Many states already require stuff like this. I know Maryalnd - where I live - does.
"Under an emergency order, state residents who travel outside Maryland — and anyone who travels to Maryland — must either obtain a negative COVID-19 test result or quarantine for 10 days."
Hehir will have to do the same in PA as here is the PA rule:
"Completing a 10-day quarantine after traveling outside of Pennsylvania is required if an individual does not have proof of a negative test result. "
Now obviously no one is really getting arrested like in China if they don't follow these rules. It's kind of like a speeding limit sign. You are supposed to do it but it's not always enforced strictly.
It was hopeful to see the race and that they took safety measures before hand etc but I think there needs to be some education/plan in place for athletes post race. For instance that they will be notified ASAP of any positive and have a testing resource in place (hopefully PCR test) available, understand quarantine recommendations if they are deemed a close contact etc. Until spread is under control I think events should have someone assigned to contact trace and educate the athletes post race if needed. So ppl are aware and know what to do if they are exposed.
OH...TX wrote:
rojo wrote:
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here.
Says the guy who runs a message board completely overrun with Covid denial spam. If my hot takes on a pandemic were in direct conflict with almost every epidemiologist, I think I would question whether I was either: (dumb, biased, or ill-informed).
My hot takes aren't in direct conflict with anything. I personally have been VERY cautious. I have a brother in law who hasn't gone ANYWHERE - not a single store since this took place. He is immune compromised and can't afford to take the risk. I'm well informed on all of this - trust me.
Ray wrote:
Why is it that people don't understand that if you just finished a 2:09 marathon, you are just as compromised as me, a 67 year old guy with a heart condition?
I imagine Mary Hehir of all people would know that. He's been treating Covid patients for christ's sake and decided it was a worthwhile risk to take. I just don't feel comfortable with someone imposing their values on someone else by saying, "This is unacceptable."
If Hehir wants to take the risk or an NFL player, that's on them. Let's look at the NFL. Yes a ton of players on virtually every team have gotten it. Is it worth it? I would say that almost 100% of the players would say it was as they are getting paid big time. If you are Hehir and just got a $25k or $50k bonus, you don't think it was worth it?
Now, I know each case raises the odds of someone who is old getting it. But the only way for them to stay safe was to totally isolate until a vaccine.
The only other option is the China route. When this started, I thought to myself. You basically either need to go to 100% total isolation for about 60 days or not do much of anything as unless you go all in, it's going to come back.
Rojo the issue is if someone tested positive they (cdc) contact trace 48 hrs from the positive. Whoever was in contact for 15min in 24 hrs and within 6ft (but in some cases distance won’t matter nor possibly masks) may be considered a close contact...at that point a close contact that tests negative does not matter and they need to complete their entire quarantine. It’s super complicated that’s why I think elite races need to have a plan in place right now until spread is under better control. It’s not that elite races should not happen it just would be good if they have post race covid pos procedures in place.
There are literally people who ran the race and PR’d who had covid at some point in the past several months. There are not common lasting effects from it. The same people most at risk to die are the same people with higher risk of lasting effects. If someone healthy in their 20’s or 30’s gets it they’re going to be perfectly fine. Calm down, these aren’t old people at a retirement home with frail bodies
And this is why we are at the level of spread in our communities....omg I’m supposed to be taking a break from covid stuff and recharging so I’m not going to read anymore of this and hope we all do our best to mitigate spread. Not because you care about just you but because we care about each other.
Zee wrote:
Rojo the issue is if someone tested positive they (cdc) contact trace 48 hrs from the positive. Whoever was in contact for 15min in 24 hrs and within 6ft (but in some cases distance won’t matter nor possibly masks) may be considered a close contact...at that point a close contact that tests negative does not matter and they need to complete their entire quarantine. It’s super complicated that’s why I think elite races need to have a plan in place right now until spread is under better control. It’s not that elite races should not happen it just would be good if they have post race covid pos procedures in place.
With respect, this is stream of consciousness hysterics.
Covid happens. But people need to get on with life.
rojo wrote:
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here.
Common Cents wrote:
. If anything the fact that all of these athletes were exposed proves that running any kind of race right now is way too risky.
What you wrote is a false statement. It doesn't prove anything. Your risk tolerance is obviously way less than that of many.
The fact of the matter is over 250,000 Americans are being with this every single day. More than 17 million have already tested positive for it.
Some people may think, one or two more getting it is no big deal. You seem to think if one person gets it, then the world must stop but that's your personal belief. Many others do not share that belief. One could actually argue that the race is helping slow the spread of Covdi-19. How?
Well, their extensive pre-race testing caught 2 people with cases of it. Those people may not have never realized they had it if it wasn't for the race. The race may have stopped them from spreading it.
I'm now reading in another post that someone else has tested positive after the race. That doesn't mean squat to me. The reality is roughly 1.5 million Americans tested positive for it last week alone. That's basically 1 in 200 Americans or .5%. Didn't the race have something like 100 participants? So half the time, one person would test positive if we were just following national averages.
Keyontae Johnson wrote:
It may be unlikely, but long term problems are a reality. Look no farther than UF's Keyontae Johnson, who collapsed, was in critical condition, and could very well have died from myocarditis complications - likely a result of a previous mild covid infection.
Ok, what is your point? First of all, the article doesn't say it was "Likely" the result of Covid. It says possibly. But the good news is they have before and after tests so they will be able to figure it out. The thing is heart specialists this summer looked into this and said widespread MRIs looking for myocarditis wasn't something we should be doing.
What is your solution? None of the 17 million people in the US who have tested positive for Covid should be allowed to play sports again? The reality is freak things happened before Covid. Maybe he is just Hank Gathers #2 and this has nothing to do with Covid-19.
joeyg1116 wrote:
So if no other runners got it, does that prove the risk of spread outdoors is incredibly low, and mean other races can come back too? That’d be cool.
No. it doesn't mean that either. You're talking about 100 people. You'd need a WAY bigger study to prove it.
If I was an elite runner, I would have been happy to sign up for the event. They required two pre-race negatives, kept everyone distanced when no t running, etc. It's a risk I'd be willing to take. Others may feel differently and that's fine.
Really rojo? You let people spam the boards with fake story’s and lies all the time . Covid has been great for this website.
rojo wrote:
Ray wrote:
Why is it that people don't understand that if you just finished a 2:09 marathon, you are just as compromised as me, a 67 year old guy with a heart condition?
I imagine Mary Hehir of all people would know that. He's been treating Covid patients for christ's sake and decided it was a worthwhile risk to take. I just don't feel comfortable with someone imposing their values on someone else by saying, "This is unacceptable."
If Hehir wants to take the risk or an NFL player, that's on them. Let's look at the NFL. Yes a ton of players on virtually every team have gotten it. Is it worth it? I would say that almost 100% of the players would say it was as they are getting paid big time. If you are Hehir and just got a $25k or $50k bonus, you don't think it was worth it?
Now, I know each case raises the odds of someone who is old getting it. But the only way for them to stay safe was to totally isolate until a vaccine.
The only other option is the China route. When this started, I thought to myself. You basically either need to go to 100% total isolation for about 60 days or not do much of anything as unless you go all in, it's going to come back.
Rojo, I never said Marty, (not Mary), should not have taken the risk. I had an athlete entered in the race. We chose to take the chance. What I object to is all those experts who claim there is no risk of COVID for a 28 year old athlete. Anyone that has studied the science of the event is aware of the effect on the immune system of the elite athletes. Dr. Robert Vaughan has suggested that the cortisol levels of elite marathoners after the event is similar to those in a near fatal car accident or a shotgun blast. Pretty dramatic but he makes the point. It should now be up to the event and health care workers to use the data here to follow up and publish the facts. For those that participated it, would be irresponsible to not let them know who tested positive and what contact tracing has indicated.
For God's sake for those of us that know people who have suffered and died, for the front line
workers I see overwhelmed by the suffering they witness on a daily basis, please stop downplaying the severity of this terrible disease.
Zee wrote:
And this is why we are at the level of spread in our communities....omg I’m supposed to be taking a break from covid stuff and recharging so I’m not going to read anymore of this and hope we all do our best to mitigate spread. Not because you care about just you but because we care about each other.
Troll. You don’t care about others. Just want something to yell about.
"would be irresponsible to not let them know who tested positive and what contact tracing has indicated."
No. The Marathon Project cannot disclose the name of the runner who tested positive unless they want to get sued. That is a ridiculous thing to say. They did the right thing by telling runners they came or potentially came in contact with a positive case but it is 100% up to the positive runner to disclose his or her identity.