Luv2Run wrote:
Took a minute on Google...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30800-8/fulltextVery draconian measures.
Also, I wonder if with all the other SARS epidemics there might be more resistance.
Hmmm, one guy cites the lancet and subsequent people come up with Random unsupported racial theories, who should I pay attention to???
Didn’t you get the memo. We’re not suppose to talk about have evil communist China is. We’re suppose to be obsessed with how horrible Trump is for wanting a good economy for the American people and for following the Constitution.
Hardloper wrote:
debby dd wrote:
I really believe that Asian people are better able to handle COVID-19 for whatever reason.
The poorest countries in Asia-with few medical facilities and no social restrictions have death counts magnitudes lower than the wealthiest European countries, with the best medical care in world and who introduced very strict lockdowns.
I don't, if that were true, you'd have to explain why China did have a pretty big outbreak to begin with and why it took 2-3 months for their natural immunity to kick in
Was it that big of an outbreak though? I’m sure the Chinese were worried that a then new contagious virus had popped up in its borders but at the end of the day under 5,000 people in China have died of COVID. In a country of a billion + people that’s not bad at all.
mask hater wrote:
The only plausible answers are:
a) they didn't get rid of it and are lying, or
b) they, like many Asian nations, appear to have a level of natural immunity that westerners don't.
No other explanation passes the sniff test. They didn't contact trace their way out of this.
Obviously, A is a big reason. Other countries took just as strict of measures. China didn't even do these nationwide. They gave it to the rest of the world but somehow not the rest of the country? Even South Korea has never stopped it with draconian measures. Only nations that are islands in the middle of nowhere with more goats than people have had sucess. Nothing out of China should be believed.
B could be a factor in why less have died.
If you want to go out there a little. This could have been a Wuhan lab leak. I believe it likely did escape on accident. Maybe China did identify this early and had some method of combating it since they had been studying it that helped them stem the tide.
They didn't. They figured out it had a 99.8% infection survival rate and said "oops false alarm" and stopped worrying about it.
But they kept the fear weaponized by claiming to have eradicated it so the rest of the world would freak out and China would gain an advantage on them. Strangely enough the world knows about the 99.8% survival now too but chooses to keep freaking out.
Obesity rate in China is 5%. Obesity rate in US is 42%. Survival rate for Covid in China is 99.9%. There is no problem. There is only a minor problem in the US but there would be no problem here either if health officials stressed healthy living.
Luv2Run wrote:
Took a minute on Google...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30800-8/fulltextVery draconian measures.
Also, I wonder if with all the other SARS epidemics there might be more resistance.
Explain New Zealand.
debby dd wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
I don't, if that were true, you'd have to explain why China did have a pretty big outbreak to begin with and why it took 2-3 months for their natural immunity to kick in
Was it that big of an outbreak though? I’m sure the Chinese were worried that a then new contagious virus had popped up in its borders but at the end of the day under 5,000 people in China have died of COVID. In a country of a billion + people that’s not bad at all.
Well most of those deaths were concentrated around Wuhan (population ~11M) so there's still a question of why every other major city in China seemed to avoid such an outbreak
They pretty much had it beat before it even got here. It's pretty simple, they as a society are willing to do things to keep it safe. Maybe they are also forced to do it by the government. But the net result is they are back to normal.
They aren't as fat as Americans..
Agent Oranges wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
Took a minute on Google...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30800-8/fulltextVery draconian measures.
Also, I wonder if with all the other SARS epidemics there might be more resistance.
Explain New Zealand.
And Australia.
Here’s a reality: chain had incredibly strict lockdowns for a long time and would literally test everyone in a city.
Melbourne had a large outbreak. The state went into a 4 month lockdown stricter than anything in America, and tested like crazy. They’ve now eradicated it as well.
China had a stricter lockdown for longer than Melbourne did, and has a better behaved population. It’s possible.
ezby wrote:
And Australia.
Here’s a reality: chain had incredibly strict lockdowns for a long time and would literally test everyone in a city.
Melbourne had a large outbreak. The state went into a 4 month lockdown stricter than anything in America, and tested like crazy. They’ve now eradicated it as well.
China had a stricter lockdown for longer than Melbourne did, and has a better behaved population. It’s possible.
Better behaved citizens. LOL.
mask hater wrote:
The only plausible answers are:
a) they didn't get rid of it and are lying, or
b) they, like many Asian nations, appear to have a level of natural immunity that westerners don't.
No other explanation passes the sniff test. They didn't contact trace their way out of this.
You are wrong.
Chinese government was very austere in their manner of enforcing physical isolation. Covid-19 like other corona viruses needs to jump from host to host (or human meat to human meat) to survive. Covid-19 died with hosts mostly a year ago in China.
mask hater wrote:
The only plausible answers are:
a) they didn't get rid of it and are lying, or
b) they, like many Asian nations, appear to have a level of natural immunity that westerners don't.
No other explanation passes the sniff test. They didn't contact trace their way out of this.
This
And they also welded there people in lol.
Then stop ordering off Amazon, going to get groceries, ordering take out, grabbing a coffee, sending your kids to school hybrid remote, and going into the office "just a couple times".
Everyone I know that is calling for full or partial shutdowns are the same people at Walmart, Dunking Donuts and ordering from Amazon. Who exactly do you think stocks the shelves, drives the goods from warehouse to store, who package and deliver your Christmas presents? Shutdown of convenience for you but the government isn't exactly able or willing to fund a true full shutdown. Nor do they want to, they just want to see how often and how much you will follow instructions. Your doing good, Sheep. Live in fear of a lower than 1% death rate. Meanwhile keep eating horribly increasing your rate of heart disease at a rate greater than 1%.
If this disease had proven to be more than it is you wouldn't have the divisiveness in how to handle it. If this disease had healthy young people dropping dead by the 100's of thousands than you would have your full shutdowns. It ended up being not that and a virus that maybe is slightly more potent than the flu for those with prior conditions. Thus you have people wanting to get on with their lives full well knowing the risks involved with living life to the fullest.
The same Lancet that published the dubious vaccines cause autism study? You are right Lancet all the way...
YMMV wrote:
mask hater wrote:
The only plausible answers are:
a) they didn't get rid of it and are lying, or
b) they, like many Asian nations, appear to have a level of natural immunity that westerners don't.
No other explanation passes the sniff test. They didn't contact trace their way out of this.
c) It never was that bad and they stopped hyping it once the West had caught the "Media Virus".
Possibly this. I really think this virus has been around for a while and just went unnoticed. The hype and fear perpetuated by killing off more people; enough the claim "excess deaths" are real and demand the panic continue. Meanwhile, in Asian nations the dealt with the brunt of it quickly without using over sensitive testing that allowed over attribution of death to the disease.
snxdcf wrote:
4getabouttits wrote:
Please tell us
Yes sir.
We could also control the virus (with NO vaccine) in a matter of 6-8 weeks if we would simply follow basic epidemiological advice and time-honored practices. There is no mystery here. Its just a virus. Its not a magical being.
Sadly, we're dumbfccks. The answer is right there staring at us. We simply refuse to acknowledge it.
Isn't that what went down in March and April though?
YMMV wrote:
mask hater wrote:
The only plausible answers are:
a) they didn't get rid of it and are lying, or
b) they, like many Asian nations, appear to have a level of natural immunity that westerners don't.
No other explanation passes the sniff test. They didn't contact trace their way out of this.
c) It never was that bad and they stopped hyping it once the West had caught the "Media Virus".
So it's not because Chinese people eat a lot of animal meat? Wow! What a surprise!