Brazilian Guy wrote:
I mean, it's obvious that he has the potential, and has already achieve two of the marks and can probably run sub 13:00 right now.
But the question is, will he be able to run under 27min and become the first athlete ever to run those times or will someone get it first?
Hell yeah he will
Trackfan55 wrote:
erico123 wrote:
The Monaco argument is retarded though, jakob and Tim ran faster in Lausanne last year. Monaco is the place where every 1500m runner gives it all with good pacing and nice weather. It's not shorter or downhill, but idiots in this forum seems to think so. If the meet organisers of any other stadium gives the same economic reward as Monaco i guess we will see the same times. Is the world record set in Monaco btw?
Dude relax, I wasn’t claiming it was short or downhill (a track literally can’t be all downhill, that’s impossible ?). You stated “ Monaco is the place where every 1500m runner gives it all with good pacing and nice weather.” and that was basically my point, Choge didn’t have the luxury of the perfect race set up (bare in mind I have no idea how the Berlin race he ran his PR in was set up).
I will look it up for you. Internet, my man!
Farah is the only one with sub 3:30 and sub 27:00, plus has a sub 13:00
Aouita had all bit sub 27:00 but a sub 1:44 and a #1 10,000 ranking one year displayed quite the range.
I don’t know why Jakob would be brought up ahead of a bunch of other guys with this ability.
high school xc coach wrote:
Trackfan55 wrote:
Dude relax, I wasn’t claiming it was short or downhill (a track literally can’t be all downhill, that’s impossible ?). You stated “ Monaco is the place where every 1500m runner gives it all with good pacing and nice weather.” and that was basically my point, Choge didn’t have the luxury of the perfect race set up (bare in mind I have no idea how the Berlin race he ran his PR in was set up).
I will look it up for you. Internet, my man!
Choge's PR was set under very ideal conditions. Not hugely competitive, but tremendous pacers. He ran the entire race with good pacing/drafting until final 400. Started behind 2 pacers. First pacer went through 800 in 1:52. Next pacer hung on for 1100 meters. didn't get a time for that, but 100 meters later, they came through in 2:48. So they are hitting 56s every lap. The eventual second place finisher was right on choge the entire race as well, so there was drafting and pressure the entire way. Separation started to slowly occur over last 200 meters or so, and Choge was able to gain almost 1 second on the next finisher with his finishing kick, as he ran final 300 meters in 41.xx seconds, very near the pace of the entire 1500.
malmo wrote:
erico123 wrote:
probably, but so could Hicham, Lagat and Komen.
Sub 27:00? Nah, not even Komen.
lol
Brazilian Guy wrote:
I mean, it's obvious that he has the potential, and has already achieve two of the marks and can probably run sub 13:00 right now.
But the question is, will he be able to run under 27min and become the first athlete ever to run those times or will someone get it first?
He will be as soon as he run a 5000 and a 10000 in good races.
7.27 is worth 12.47 and 26.40. So even if he is not ready for 10k, i don't think he would have trouble running 26:59.
Would be good to see him in the chepetegei WR try race
Bad Wigins wrote:
All right, I'll take the bait.
800+ all-time GOAT Augustine Choge has already done that, except plus sub 1:45 and minus sub 27. But he's already proven capable of the sub 27 by running sub 60 HM twice.
Jakob will never be capable of a sub 60 HM. Too big. Sub 27 is debatable. Choge will run sub 27 if he ever decides it's important to him. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to understand his unique place in history and might not bother.
Well, Aouita went sub 1:44 and sub 27:30 (also sub 3:30, 7:30 and 13:00). I believe he only ever ran 1 10k? It doesn't seem inconceivable he could have gone sub 27. To me his1:43.86 is what's most impressive. How many sub 1:44 guys could ever even go sub 13?
Star wrote:
Farah is the only one with sub 3:30 and sub 27:00, plus has a sub 13:00
Aouita had all bit sub 27:00 but a sub 1:44 and a #1 10,000 ranking one year displayed quite the range.
I don’t know why Jakob would be brought up ahead of a bunch of other guys with this ability.
Aouita's 800m 'potential' was no better than Jakob's.
Aouita's 800m pb at 22, when he'd been an 800m runner for over 4 years, was 3 seconds slower than 19 year old Jakob.
Even after Aouita started the blood doping and hgh in 83, his 800m times continued in the 1:45/1:46 range.
Until 88, when he actually became a dedicated 800m runner for an entire season - the only ever elite 5000m runner to drop down to 800m.
If Jakob gave up the 3000/5000 for a year, focused exclusively on improving his 800m speed for 12 months, and raced in every DL 800m, do you think he would still have a 1:46 pb at the end of it?
Coevett wrote:
If Jakob gave up the 3000/5000 for a year, focused exclusively on improving his 800m speed for 12 months, and raced in every DL 800m, do you think he would still have a 1:46 pb at the end of it?
He easily goes 1:44 within 2yrs of 800m specified training
letsdrum wrote:
"Choge will run sub 27 if he ever decides it's important to him."
Nonsense, as usual. His last track race was over four years ago. How likely is it he "decides" that it is important to him? Even if he "decides" this, he is far from beeing capable to do it.
How is a 59:26 HM not an indicator of Sub -27 ability?
What was the HM world record when Sub 27 was first ran? Faster or slower than 59:26? I'll wait while you go get that.
When did Choge run that 59, 3 years ago or longer?
For a board of road runners there sure are a lot of ignorant people here. Why do I know more about your favorite events than you?
nostrom wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
All right, I'll take the bait.
800+ all-time GOAT Augustine Choge has already done that, except plus sub 1:45 and minus sub 27. But he's already proven capable of the sub 27 by running sub 60 HM twice.
Jakob will never be capable of a sub 60 HM. Too big. Sub 27 is debatable. Choge will run sub 27 if he ever decides it's important to him. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to understand his unique place in history and might not bother.
Well, Aouita went sub 1:44 and sub 27:30 (also sub 3:30, 7:30 and 13:00). I believe he only ever ran 1 10k? It doesn't seem inconceivable he could have gone sub 27. To me his1:43.86 is what's most impressive. How many sub 1:44 guys could ever even go sub 13?
Could Aouita have ran sub 60? Be honest.
I have been plugging Choge's 800+ GOAT status for years, before the HM, and the shorter distances were the only real point of contention. Neither of them has laid down a track 10,000 fast enough to count for anything; both of them probably could, but didn't, so that event is a wash. But a 59:26 is not. That was the proof.
Just ponder that. Sub 1:44, AND sub 60. Nobody else past or present could have any hope of doing that. Incredible range. Elite at BOTH long sprint and long distance.
Bad Wigins wrote:
nostrom wrote:
Well, Aouita went sub 1:44 and sub 27:30 (also sub 3:30, 7:30 and 13:00). I believe he only ever ran 1 10k? It doesn't seem inconceivable he could have gone sub 27. To me his1:43.86 is what's most impressive. How many sub 1:44 guys could ever even go sub 13?
Could Aouita have ran sub 60? Be honest.
I have been plugging Choge's 800+ GOAT status for years, before the HM, and the shorter distances were the only real point of contention. Neither of them has laid down a track 10,000 fast enough to count for anything; both of them probably could, but didn't, so that event is a wash. But a 59:26 is not. That was the proof.
Just ponder that. Sub 1:44, AND sub 60. Nobody else past or present could have any hope of doing that. Incredible range. Elite at BOTH long sprint and long distance.
Not sure why you talk about Choge running sub 1:44 as he never did it. Furthermore, his 1:44.86 was in 2009. His 59:26 was in 2017, when he likely would not have been able to go under 1:47.
Farah's 2 Mile Best translates to a 7:27.58 for 3000
For the Steeple? or 2 Mile? 20 Years old, I almost expect him to get The European Records at 1500 (DONE) 3000 (Half a Second Off) 5000 12:49 (I think he gets it) Steeple he ran 8:26 a few Years ago in a Low Key Meet, with his current condition sub 8 is possible, but will he run a few for time? 10000 under 26:46, maybe but will he try it.
I think he gets the 1500, 3000, 5000 and the Steeple and 10000 if he wants to, his 1500 and 3000 Times equate to faster Than the European Records for Mile and 2 Mile, sub 59 is possible for the Half Marathon, The Marathon will be difficult as he would be big for a Marathoner and 2:04.16 is fast, and who knows what the European Records will be if/when he tries the 3000 Steeple, 10000, Half Marathon and Marathon
malmo wrote:
Don't forget 8:00. I think he's one of the few who can translate with just a little effort.
I was responding to this, about the Steeple or 2 Mile
Bad Wigins wrote:
letsdrum wrote:
"Choge will run sub 27 if he ever decides it's important to him."
Nonsense, as usual. His last track race was over four years ago. How likely is it he "decides" that it is important to him? Even if he "decides" this, he is far from beeing capable to do it.
How is a 59:26 HM not an indicator of Sub -27 ability?
What was the HM world record when Sub 27 was first ran? Faster or slower than 59:26? I'll wait while you go get that.
When did Choge run that 59, 3 years ago or longer?
For a board of road runners there sure are a lot of ignorant people here. Why do I know more about your favorite events than you?
The HM WR when sub 27 was run for the first time (1:00:13) obviously has nothing to do what Augustine Choge can achieve. 59:26 is not an indication for sub 27.
But your point was something else, that Choge can run sub 27 whenever he decides it's important to him. What a nonsense.
In 2016 he has run 28:22 and 29:13 in non winning performances at altitude plus a dnf. Kamworer has run 27:11 at altitude.
But what to expect from someone who adds 800m and 5000m times to conclude best range ?
Coevett wrote:
Star wrote:
Farah is the only one with sub 3:30 and sub 27:00, plus has a sub 13:00
Aouita had all bit sub 27:00 but a sub 1:44 and a #1 10,000 ranking one year displayed quite the range.
I don’t know why Jakob would be brought up ahead of a bunch of other guys with this ability.
Aouita's 800m 'potential' was no better than Jakob's.
Aouita's 800m pb at 22, when he'd been an 800m runner for over 4 years, was 3 seconds slower than 19 year old Jakob.
Even after Aouita started the blood doping and hgh in 83, his 800m times continued in the 1:45/1:46 range.
Until 88, when he actually became a dedicated 800m runner for an entire season - the only ever elite 5000m runner to drop down to 800m.
If Jakob gave up the 3000/5000 for a year, focused exclusively on improving his 800m speed for 12 months, and raced in every DL 800m, do you think he would still have a 1:46 pb at the end of it?
Lie after lie after lie, he just can't stop to do so. Half a dozen lies in a few bad sentences.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Jakob will never be capable of a sub 60 HM. Too big.
Rupp is a sub-60 half marathoner. He's one inch shorter than Jakob.
Yes wrote:
The first three are possible for him, the last one isn't.
We'll see. Just needs 1 more, give it a few years...
Bad Wigins wrote:
All right, I'll take the bait.
800+ all-time GOAT Augustine Choge has already done that, except plus sub 1:45 and minus sub 27. But he's already proven capable of the sub 27 by running sub 60 HM twice.
Jakob will never be capable of a sub 60 HM. Too big. Sub 27 is debatable. Choge will run sub 27 if he ever decides it's important to him. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to understand his unique place in history and might not bother.
Sub 27 for 10k and sub 60 for the half are not equivalents.
A sub 27 is far more impressive.
Only 72 men have ever broken 27 minutes for 10,000m, and only 3 of them are non-African born (Fisher, Rupp, Solinsky).
However, 276 men have broken 60 for a half, including 13 non-African born runners.
To add, a 26:59 10k is worth 1227 WA points; whereas a 59:59 HM is worth 1187.