5K Track Time Trial: Choose a Shoe

KAV wrote:

Ho Hum wrote:

What is with you guys and the Takumi Sen? It's not particularly light (twice as heavy as the RF Pro), and not even available in the US as far as I can see.

What does it make you think that you need PEBAX on track? The RF "normal" edition has still that foam and is awful on a track. Try it if you don't believe it. The various iterations of the 4% are awful when you bend, and better hope the track is dry. TS's grip is phenomenal due to the small lugs on the outsole. You are racing a 5k at (best case) sub-elite level so a weight well under 200g is more than adequate. You guys wanna run fast on a track or play gimmicks on a blog....

The RunFast is a completely different shoe. I've run a few track races in the RF Pro, and they're just as phenomenal there as on the road -- and also not a 4% iteration in any sense, more like a very nice road flat. Also great in the rain!

Ho Hum wrote:

KAV wrote:

What does it make you think that you need PEBAX on track? The RF "normal" edition has still that foam and is awful on a track. Try it if you don't believe it. The various iterations of the 4% are awful when you bend, and better hope the track is dry. TS's grip is phenomenal due to the small lugs on the outsole. You are racing a 5k at (best case) sub-elite level so a weight well under 200g is more than adequate. You guys wanna run fast on a track or play gimmicks on a blog....

The RunFast is a completely different shoe. I've run a few track races in the RF Pro, and they're just as phenomenal there as on the road -- and also not a 4% iteration in any sense, more like a very nice road flat. Also great in the rain!

Yawn... Just stop... If you think you can run a 5k in a 100g shoe good luck with that

Wrong shoe, That's the Razor 3+. The new racing version is the Razor Elite. No reviews are out yet because apparently Skechers has an embargo on putting releases out. Reviews are expected later in October.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

Reviews are out

https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2020/09/skechers-gorun-razor-hyper-review.html?m=0

What are you talking about? Even I as an aging runner have comfortably run a 5k in the Run Fast Pro. It's a great shoe. I also have the Takumi Sen, and the RFP is a better shoe in every way. More cushioned, just as grippy and lighter, all in the same package. There is literally no distance or race that I would choose the Takumi Sen over the RFP.

KAV wrote:

Yawn... Just stop... If you think you can run a 5k in a 100g shoe good luck with that

shoe for 16:30 mid-foot shuffler? wrote:

Wrong shoe, That's the Razor 3+. The new racing version is the Razor Elite. No reviews are out yet because apparently Skechers has an embargo on putting releases out. Reviews are expected later in October.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

Reviews are out

https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2020/09/skechers-gorun-razor-hyper-review.html?m=0

Oops my bad.

In a related note you can pre order the Razor Elite from running warehouse. Ordered a pair and should arrive around Thanksgiving.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

shoe for 16:30 mid-foot shuffler? wrote:

Wrong shoe, That's the Razor 3+. The new racing version is the Razor Elite. No reviews are out yet because apparently Skechers has an embargo on putting releases out. Reviews are expected later in October.

Oops my bad.

In a related note you can pre order the Razor Elite from running warehouse. Ordered a pair and should arrive around Thanksgiving.

I would consider a half-size up. All I can say for now.

Sorry to miss this. I truly hope to be running your paces in years to come - any Masters running with those times should be super proud.

I would agree with subsequent messages that both the Run Fast Pro and Next% are great choices, and this is functionally the same as my dilemma (5280 vs. RC Elite). Something thin/light/fast versus something bouncy/springy/tall.

And with that - I don’t know there’s a wrong choice. I actually like the Endorphin Pro a little, since it’s a firmer feeling than the Next% and you might not feel as “wobbly” around the corners. To the extent it matters (which is basically 0), I have worn the RFP for 2 PRs so... of course I’m a fan there, too!

Albertos Dog wrote:

pcli5kdoc wrote:

Oops my bad.

In a related note you can pre order the Razor Elite from running warehouse. Ordered a pair and should arrive around Thanksgiving.

I would consider a half-size up. All I can say for now.

Yeah that’s what I did. Just notified should arrive November 14th.