Sub 11 sec 100m runners who can run a sub 1:30 Half-Marathon ?

Tommy Hughes 400m-46sec/marathon-2:13

Blinky Bill wrote:

Tommy Hughes 400m-46sec/marathon-2:13

Kerron Clement in junior/senior year in HS.

Low 17's 5k XC,

Yes, any national class 800-1500m athlete can run a 90 minute HM. In fact both male and female athletes can probably run well under that 80/85 min respectively. Now a 400-800m athlete may struggle to dip under 80/85, but 90 minutes should be easily doable.

californiaScreamin wrote:

Is this supposed to be at the same time? I know a guy who ran in the 10.80s in college and went 2:50 something for a marathon in his mid twenties. I think any 48 sec 400m runner who decides to train semi seriously for longer stuff should be able to go sub 11/sub130

I reject that a 48.xx guy has particularly easy access to sub-11 ability. By personal experience, I was on a team with a dedicated 400 guy on year who went mid/low 48 and could break 22 over 200. But when he dabbled in the 60 and 100 he showed definitively that he didn't have the pop to succeed much over 100. He never broke 11 while I was there.

Same season, there was also an 800 guy who went 1:53.xx that year and low 48, and might have been threatening to do high 47s, but the one or two 200s he did he did NOT break 22 and he certainly wouldn't have broken 11.

Now, to be fair, they were training those guys in a more mid-d/distance-ish themed way, so that probably hurt them a bit. But, that also tells you what extending the distance in training and competition does to ones ability to cover 100 meters successfully; even if you've GOT some legit speed in you.

agreed. and even still i think your 1:53 / 48 guy is much more likely to hit a sub-11 100m than elite 800m runners who are 1:42/47 (nick symmonds type)

there is a lot of overestimation in this thread of what a sub-elite 400m runner can do in a 100m, and super super super overestimation of what an elite 800m runner can do in a 100m.

if an elite 800m runners are capable of running a sub-11 100m, i guarantee they would be elite at 400m as well. this is nobody right now.

I ran an 11.1 100m and a 1:15:43 half. Oh so close

Might already have been mentioned, but Steve Ovett had a 21.7 200m from the blocks around the same period he ran a 65 minute half marathon. Pretty sure if he trained for the 100m for 6 months he could go under 11 seconds FAT while maintaining enough aerobic capacity to run under 90 minutea for the HM.

Then again, he was by far and away the most versatile non-doping runner in athletics history and nobody else comes close really.

A better question would be, is everyone with 2 legs capable of a sub 90min half?

Bekele would be my candidate. He can literally run a sub 90 half mary while sleeping it would be so easy for him. He also has sub 11 speed. Look at the finish of some of his 5,000m or 10,000m races

Juha Väätäinen, the European champion 1971 at 5000 m & 10000 m started as a sprinter.

His PB: 100 m 11,1, 200 m 22,1, 400 m 48,9, 800 m 1.48,4, 1 500 m 3.43,7, 1 eng. mil 4.04,6, 3 000 m 7.53,4, 2 eng. mil 8.33.0, 5 000 m 13.28,4, 10 000 m 27.52,8, 25 000 m 1.19.42.

For most people on this website, myself included, sub 1:30 is a casual jog while we could only dream of sub-11. Personally I couldn't get anywhere near that sort of sprint speed.

I have gotten almost 15 minutes below 1:30 last year and when I last ran a full track season I would have probably been around 14, possibly under in a race(hard to tell as I suck at short stuff and would feel awkward racing 100m) so I should be less than 4 seconds away from sub 11 compared to 884 seconds under 1:30:00. Maybe if I somehow changed my brain so that I actually enjoyed weight training, drills etc then I could be under 11 too? I've almost done both already.

-884 seconds for half thon

vs

+4 seconds for 100m est

gives -880 seconds under target half time of 1:30 and 100m time of 11

highhoppingworm wrote:

Do you have to be able to do both at the same time?

Yea I don't think you can do both at the same time, although some 800 guys could maybe give it a go. I think most sub-11 types could spend a few years (max), become more distance oriented, & knock out a sub-1:30.

LOL the average 200 lbs hobby jogger can “run” sub-90. Of course anyone who can break 11s can walk it.

See Jarmila K. wrote:

If Jarmila Kratochvilova knew breaking 11 100m was the ultimate goal, she could have done so. Training for 800m usually means 200 & 300 repeats with limited recovery. Training for 100m and 1/2 Marathon would mean: work on start, 50s &150s with plenty of recovery, occasional 10 mile tempo runs and mostly easy miles. Jarmila K. easily could have raced sub-1:20 for 1/2 Marathon. With Feed the Cats sprint training, she could have sprinted F.A.T. sub-11 100m.

So our best candidate seems to be a woman

flvmmox wrote:

agreed. and even still i think your 1:53 / 48 guy is much more likely to hit a sub-11 100m than elite 800m runners who are 1:42/47 (nick symmonds type)

there is a lot of overestimation in this thread of what a sub-elite 400m runner can do in a 100m, and super super super overestimation of what an elite 800m runner can do in a 100m.

if an elite 800m runners are capable of running a sub-11 100m, i guarantee they would be elite at 400m as well. this is nobody right now.

I actually went and looked it up. I had it wrong, the 800 guy actually went sun 1:51 by the end of the year and ran an 48.5 and 22.0x in some early April meets. He never tried the 100, but after he went 22.06 earlier in the year, he ran a 22.2x a little later. All kinds of factors in that. But one might say that as he watched up to his 1:50, he lost the pop in the sprints bit-by-bit. Maybe. I wasn't in his group, so I can't say what his deal was.

The 400 guy I mentioned actually ran a 48.05 open. He ran a few 21.8s and 21.7s, but he couldn't break 11.1 in his two 100m attempts. Truth be told, he was beating me in the 200, but I was lightyears ahead of him over 100. The two races can really be night and day sometimes depending on skillsets. And, I was in a sprint group that kind of did the "feed the cats" type thing. We did nearly NOTHING relating to overdistancing. That was my freshman year of college and I actually felt a bit fat by the end of the year as one of my roommates moms made EXCELLENT cookies (plus I'm kinda a fatty, anyway...and MY mom also makes excellent cookies)...despite all that, I made a big PR over 100 meters by the end if the year.

Anyway. My story is likely anecdotal, but I think it's a part of the equation and emphasizes your point: a lot of over estimation by people here.

To state the obvious: sub 11 sprinting and half marathon training just don't mix.

I would be willing to bet a lot of money against a twenty-something Bekele sprinting F.A.T. sub-11 100m. If Bekele were adopted by a family in U.S. with background in track & field sprints and Bekele grew up sprinting, I would agree, F.A.T. sub-11 100m. Like almost all distance runners, I am certain with 5000m & 10000m training, doing rolling sprints at end of practice. Bekele as we know him had no chance for a F.A.T. sub-11 100m. Distance runners are awful first 30m of 100m dash, especially first 15 metres.

LDoc wrote:

10.58 from blocks; 62min training run 10 miles off nothing; 4:07 1500 training run. Moved up to 800m, trained for two months from September, career ending illness.

What I know is that plenty of good distance runners have good top end speed on a flying 30 or 40, but put them in blocks, and they look poorly. It's easy to confuse top end speed with an ability to be both fast and powerful out of blocks - not to mention to stay relaxed rather than force speed.

Fair answer.

flvmmox wrote:

there is a lot of overestimation in this thread of what a sub-elite 400m runner can do in a 100m, and super super super overestimation of what an elite 800m runner can do in a 100m.

if an elite 800m runners are capable of running a sub-11 100m, i guarantee they would be elite at 400m as well. this is nobody right now.

I actually think that if the 800 didn't exist, 400-800 guys like Rudisha, Korir, Saruni and McBride have focused on the 400 and all gone 44-low if not 43-high. For goodness sakes, they all have 44.xx times as 800m runners! Korir has a 44.2 and Saruni has a 44.4! (OK, Rudisha only ran 45.5, but he basically only raced it in February-March - not exactly peaking or a major focus.)

No way you are doing 44 without breaking 11.0.

And NO WAY ON EARTH could these guys not run sub-1:30. Rudisha has run 15:xx 5000s as training according to his coach, and he is so speed-focused he doesn't even have a 1500m time on the books. I knew HS soccer players who ran sub-1:30 without specific training. You're going to write Amos off of that?