Why is this so hard wrote:
Lots of microdosing going on in 2020? And do we know how many seconds faster these new "Dragonfly" spikes are? (Not just here - I have my doubts about BTC as well). Hard to know what a record means these days.
Though Bekele was likely also juiced, so...undeniably a great run but its hard to put in context. Honestly this all is making me less of a track fan these days.
You're welcome to stop following the sport :)
If all else was equal I’d agree that Bekele could run faster with current shoes.
I think the weather hurt cheptegi more than the shoes would’ve helped Bekele
Snake Oil Salesman wrote:
This just proves it:
Compression Shorts > Split Shorts.
Going commando greater than both!
Is some Bekele fan salty because his record was broken? Hey, I am a Kipchoge fan and someone someday will eventually break Kipchoge’s marathon world record and I would congratulate them on their accomplishment instead of being salty saying how the advance technology helped him.
bobby problem wrote:
I believe 12:35 is superior to 12:37 because 12:35 is faster than 12:37.
+1
There’s really nothing new about the shoes Cheptegei wore last night. No carbon plate in the Dragonfly’s. I’ve got them in hand. Other than the use of Zoom X foam, which is hardly an innovative material, they’re extremely similar to models worn for several years. You really can’t call these ones Boing Boings.
The Air Zoom Victory, thats a different story. Carbon plate + air bags, boing boing boing. But Cheptegei didn’t wear them, so it’s irrelevant here.
100% agree, Bekele with these conditions would have run way faster. Just look at how uneven his splits were.
Agree 100%
This is farcical
Wish athletics would grow a pair
Great run by Chep. Beautiful running form! What a pleasure to watch.
It's odd, though, to see someone break a WR and seem so casual across the finish line. Dude should be exhausted, but no. Kind of like Kipchoge sprinting after his own WR. Makes you wonder if they still had some in the tank and, sadly, if it was a clean performace.
The shoes... Well, supershoes and superfoams are here to stay, so the debate is pointless now. Everyone can see these new spikes are faster, but it is what it is. Time to see some WRs and NRs fall, then it will settle again. Whatever.
What I didn't like, and I think is negative for the sport, are the pacing lights. They are taking away an important variable from racing, just so they can get faster times because that's easier to promote. Instead of trying to get the audience to appreciate the complexity of a beautiful sport, they're just pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Does anyone really believe that if Bekele, at peak form, was in that race today, wearing Dragonflys he would get beaten?
Haven't read the whole thread but has anyone said the following?
GEBRSELASSIE 12:39 > BEKELE 12:37
Geb's WR is well superior to Bekele's 12:37. Geb only ran fast enough to break records, which is why he has like 29 of them to Bekele's 11 or so.
Also, Geb closed in 2:27 in his 12:39 race, showing he probably could have gone 12:35-ish or so without such an amazing finish. Bekele was tapped out running 2:30's.
Exactly, Geb's run was far superior... 2:27 final 1000m was something else, after very poor pacing in the first 2000m or so!
MaryS wrote:
I CALL BULLSHOOT ON THAT!
A.) The Pacers got to follow the light. So if Chep is following the pacers who are following the light, then the transitive property tells me that Chep was following the light for the first 6:00.
B.) Once you have passed the light, you know if you are starting to fade or not if the light doesn't pass you back. So, in your head, without the light, you might think you are starting to fade and press a little bit too soon. But, with the light, even if you are ahead of it, you know that your current pace is still doing good if it doesn't pass you back.
The Light is always there and it is always benefiting the runner shooting for a specific time. Look into the Light, jacobs, you know this to be true.
p.s. I watched that race and it was just so boring. honestly, the elites need to act like they are suffering a bit during World Record races or at least don't finish and then casually bop along smiling like they like are out of a summer time stroll in the gardens. A casual sports fan who watched that without the commentator who have zero clue that they were even watching an actual race.
You realize part of what makes an elite athlete elite is the ability to stay relaxed while putting on an elite performance.
the king lives wrote:
The king isn't dead.
Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.
Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.
Cheptegei ran a smart, tactical race. He knew the light had better closing speed. He didn't take advantage of the mechanical doping but he knew the light would.
the king lives wrote:
The king isn't dead.
Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.
Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.
This is precisely why the culture on this board sucks today, way too many Joggers World posters on here.
I have not given the lights a lot of thought other than as a viewer it was great (everyone seems to like the line in swimming although you only see it on tv).
I would need to go back and watch it again, but at one point did an announcer talk about how the pacing was perfect? If so, that is a tribute to the light not the pacers.
the king lives wrote:
The king isn't dead.
Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.
Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.
Sure, & Moorcroft's 13:00.42 in 1982 was run 22 years BEFORE Bekele with the same advantages that Bekele had 16 years ago...nope. No pacing and running on his own that fast in 1982 and surely clean as a whistle. I'll take Moorcroft's time as a greater effort in 1982 versus Bekele's 22 years later or Joshua's 38 years later.
I have the feeling the author will say the same thing when Bekele’s 10k record gets broken. He will say the same. Bekele record is better than the new record, blah blah blah.
This. Plus, I think it’s badass how he was so chill. The little shrug he did to the crowd was boss. Throwback to Michael Jordan in the 1992 finals.
But seeing him laying on his back would have been better? I don’t think so!
Havent seen something like that, but there’s defo an argument for Geb as the best runner ever. Just by how much he lowered the 5 and 10k WRs alone, while Bekele ”drafted” off Gebs WRs and lowered them a bit. Bekele looked disgustingly good at his peak though, with todays technology we would have seen some outlandish stuff from him.