Doped to the Max wrote:
I don't think Algeria is anything close to Morocco. I haven't heard of any breakouts testing positive recently and the only big name from Algeria I can think of that has been banned is Ali Saïdi-Sief.
Too true with regard to Algeria and Nordine Morcelli had a clean record, Mashallah - Al Hamdullilah.
Noureddine Morceli (Arabic: نور الدين مرسلي, Nūr ud-Dīn Mursilī; born February 28, 1970) is a retired Algerian middle-distance runner. He was the winner of the 1500 metres at the 1996 Summer Olympics and won three straight gold medals at that distance at the World Championships in Athletics. He set world records in the 1500 m, mile run and the 3000 metres.
Noureddine Morceli
Personal information
Born
28 February 1970 (age 50)
Ténès, Algeria
Height
175 cm (5 ft 9 in)[1]
Weight
60 kg (132 lb)
Sport
Country
Algeria
Sport
Track
Event(s)
1500 metres
Achievements and titles
Personal best(s)
800 metres: 1:44.79[2]
1500 metres: 3:27.37[2]
Mile: 3:44.39[2]
3000 metres: 7:25.11[2]
5000 metres: 13:03.85[2]
Medal record
Men's athletics
Representing Algeria
Olympic Games
Gold medal – first place 1996 Atlanta 1500 m
World Championships
Gold medal – first place 1991 Tokyo 1500 m
Gold medal – first place 1993 Stuttgart 1500 m
Gold medal – first place 1995 Gothenburg 1500 m
World Indoor Championships
Gold medal – first place 1991 Seville 1500 m
Mediterranean Games
Gold medal – first place 1993 Narbonne 1500 m
In international competition, he was twice the gold medallist in the mile at the Goodwill Games (1994 and 1998), the Arab champion in the 1500 m in 1988, the Millrose Games champion in the mile in 1992 and 1993, the 1500 m winner at the 1994 IAAF World Cup, and the overall champion in the 1994 IAAF Grand Prix series. He was Algerian national champion in the 1500 m in 1989.
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Biography
At age seven Morceli was inspired by his brother Abderrahmane, a world-class runner who finished fourth in the 1,500 metres in the 1977 World Cup; later his brother would become Morceli's coach. In the early 1980s, Morceli came to idolize Saïd Aouita, a Moroccan who won the gold medal in the 5,000 metres in the 1984 Olympic Games. By age 17 Morceli had taken second place in the 1,500 metres in the world junior championships. A year later, he enrolled at Riverside Community College in California, which had been recommended for its coaching and track facilities. He spent two years there, at the end of which he had run the world's fastest 1,500 metres for 1990. At age 20 he was ranked first in the world in the 1,500 metres. In 1992 he added the outdoor world record for the 1,500 metres, in 1993 for the mile, and in 1994 for the 3,000 metres. By the end of 1994 the Algerian track star's accomplishments had reached even greater proportions. In August, after breaking the outdoor world record for 3,000 metres (7 min 25.11 sec), he could claim five middle-distance world records, which also included (outdoor) the 1,500 metres (3 min 28.86 sec) and the mile (3 min 44.39 sec) and (indoor) the 1,000 metres (2 min 15.26 sec) and the 1,500 metres (3 min 34.16 sec).
Morceli was named Athlete of the Year by Track & Field News in 1993 and 1994 and by the International Athletic Foundation in 1994. In that two-year period, he lost only once, at 800 metres. As he set his sights on more records, most notably the 800-metre, 2,000-metre, and 5,000-metre events, his driving force was a deeply rooted dedication to bring glory to his country. As Morceli looked forward to the 1995 season, sportswriters unabashedly proclaimed him the greatest runner in the world or even the greatest of all time. Perhaps his spirit was best exemplified by his winning performance in the 1994 Grand Prix. Racked with flu, weakened and hacking, he not only ran but left the field behind at the finish. Morceli was soon tested by a new challenger, Moroccan Hicham El Guerrouj. Morceli bested El Guerrouj in the 1,500 metres at the 1995 outdoor world championships; however, the 1,500-metre race at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta the following year was considered one of the most dramatic contests in athletics history. Morceli and El Guerrouj led the field with 400 metres to go when the young Moroccan tripped on his rival's heel and fell to the ground, allowing Morceli to capture the gold medal in that event. At the Grand Prix final in Milan later that year, however, Morceli lost the 1,500-metre event for the first time in years—to El Guerrouj. Morceli competed in subsequent events, including the 2000 Games in Sydney, before his eventual retirement.
Career
Early career
Born in Ténès, Morceli rose to athletic prominence after winning the silver medal in the 1500 m at the World Junior Championships in 1988. Morceli attended Riverside Community College in Riverside, California, and throughout his career, in winter, he would return there to enjoy the mild climate and train.
Morceli was coached by his brother Abderrahmane[3] who ran for Algeria in the Moscow Olympics of 1980 and in Los Angeles in 1984.
1990–1992
In 1990, he moved up to senior class and set the season's best mark of 3:37.87 in 1500 m. He continued this dominance into 1991, when he broke the world indoor record for 1500 m at Seville on February 28, setting a new mark of 3:34.16. Only nine days later, on the same track, he won the 1500 m title at the World Indoor Championships. Throughout the outdoor season 1991 Morceli remained undefeated over 1500 m. At several Grand Prix meetings he ran times around 3:31 min. At the World Championships in Tokyo, Morceli was already a clear favourite for the 1500 m and he won easily. He set a new World Championships record (3:32.84) and finished with a remarkable two-second-lead between him and the silver medallist Wilfred Kirochi (Kenya).
In the beginning of 1992, Morceli ran a new 1000 m indoor world record of 2:15.26. There seemed to be no greater certainty for a gold medal at the Olympic Games in Barcelona later that year than Morceli.[citation needed] But prior to the Olympic Games Morceli lost unexpectedly to Gennaro di Napoli in Rome and David Kibet in Oslo. There were signs that he was not in the same shape as the year before. However, in the Olympic semi-final he looked strong. The Olympic final was run at a woefully slow pace, with the field passing through the 800 m mark in a slower time than in the women's final. That was not the sort of pace to which Morceli had become accustomed, or that he was comfortable with, and when the frantic sprint for home began, he found himself unable to respond, eventually finishing a disappointing seventh. Only three days after the final Morceli set a world season's best in Monaco and a week later he broke his personal best to win in Zurich in 3:30.76. In September 1992 Morceli set a new 1500 m world record of 3:28.86 in Rieti.
1993–1995
In 1993 Morceli narrowly missed his own world record when he won the Mediterranean Games in Narbonne in 3:29.20 min. By that time Morceli had set himself a new aim: to break Steve Cram's eight-year-old record over the Mile (3:46.32). Throughout the season he was virtually without any serious competitors. In Monaco he narrowly missed the 3000 m world record. There was even talk that he might skip the World Championships in order to concentrate fully on the world-record hunt. However, in the end he decided to take part. At the World Championships in Stuttgart, the final of 1500 m started at a relatively slow pace, but Morceli was always in complete control, sprinting away in the last lap to win easily and retain his world title. In the following weeks he failed twice to set a new world record over the Mile in Berlin and Brussels. But just two days after the race in Brussels he astonished everyone by crushing the old record with a time of 3:44.39.
In 1994, he set the new 3000 m world record, clocking 7:25.11. He also experimented successfully with the 5000 m. In Zurich he outsprinted the rest of the field to take the victory and also won the 5000 m race in Rieti. The only defeat of the season came when Morceli opted for an unusual 800 m appearance in Cologne. Morceli broke the 2000 m world record in the following season, setting a new mark of 4:47.88. Nine days later Morceli set the last world record of his magnificent career, when he lowered his own 1500 m record to 3:27.37 in Nice.[4] Only a few days after this he almost broke the record again when he triumphed in 3:27.52 in Monaco. Later on that year he defended easily the 1500 m World Champion title in Gothenburg. Shortly after, Morceli tried to improve on his Mile record in Zurich but did not succeed.
1996–2000
At the start of the 1996 season, Morceli set a world season's best of 3:29.50. However, a new and serious opponent suddenly appeared on the scene, when Hicham El Guerrouj won in Hengelo in a time of 3:29.51. At the 1996 Summer Olympics, Morceli was under enormous pressure. The final was run at an average pace when his main rival, Hicham El Guerrouj, fell down on the final lap. Morceli accelerated and crossed the line first ahead of the defending Olympic champion, Fermín Cacho. At the end of 1996 Morceli suffered his first 1500 m defeat in four years at the hands of El Guerrouj in Milan. In the 1997 World Championships at Athens, Morceli was fourth in 1500 m and in 1999, at Seville, he qualified for his fifth straight 1500 m final at a World Championships, where he dropped out at the bell while well out of medal contention. Morceli's last appearance at a major international championships was at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney.
Since retirement
Currently[when?], Morceli serves as an ambassador of the sport by assisting with the International Olympic Commission, the African Games, as well as assisting the development of young track and field athletes in Algeria.
Moreceli - squeaky clean and ethical runner from the Maghreb. For the naysayers, he has never been involved in anything or suspected of anything. Clean as a whistle. One of the all-time goats.
Doped to the Max wrote:
If you notice there's a pattern here with all these dopers busted on ABP-hematological cases that continually bring up altitude training as a defense.
They should stop using it as a defense, and use it as a clean way to keep their RBC high.
Doped to the Max wrote:
I think Morocco gets aggressive and pushes the envelope higher than some other nations because they get very good results from their doping.
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You're always asking for evidence that doping improves performance with elites - then look no further than Morocco.
Is this evidence? Are they getting very good results from their doping?
Morocco is still macro-doping, and doping in large numbers, and their best performances in the last 15 years, after El G retired in events from 1500m to the marathon have regressed significantly.
Ghost1 wrote:
Moreceli - squeaky clean and ethical runner from the Maghreb. For the naysayers, he has never been involved in anything or suspected of anything. Clean as a whistle. One of the all-time goats.
Not too sure about that. Steady progression then moved to another level (that the world had ever seen) the very year or thereabouts that EPO is widely thought to have become commonly used by distance runners (92/93).
Developed anemia (to the point of being hospitalized) then career and times fell off a cliff.
This was a period when quite a number of cyclists and several runners died from full throttle EPO abuse.
Ran about 10 seconds faster than his older brother (who was around before EPO).
Like El G, an EPO era sub 3:45 miler who could barely break 1:45 for the 800m.
By the way, last time I checked, both Algeria and Morocco were on the list of countries most at risk of doping. Even their Olympic president admits his athletes are doped to the max.
It"s possible that Morceli wa clean all the way to the Barcelona Olympics and then suspected or was told Cacho and certain others were using EPO and thought he had to level the playing field.
It's amazing that the Maghteb produced the two fastest milers in history at almost the same time (full throttle EPO era) and in the two decades since have only produced Ramzi and Big Mac to compare.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1072034/algerian-olympic-committee-president-claims-athletes-in-country-are-doping-to-qualify-for-major-eventsBelieving Algerians compete clean while Moroccans dope, is as irrational as holding that Ethiopians are clean while Kenyans have a doping culture.
Coevett wrote:
Believing Algerians compete clean while Moroccans dope, is as irrational as holding that Ethiopians are clean while Kenyans have a doping culture.
You are right, both countries have similar cultures, and both countries also have significant Berber populations and some of those Berber populations are not even Muslim in their fundamental beliefs. However both El G and Mr. Morceli are devout Muslims and have always promised “on their mothers heads” (sur la tête de ma mère) that they have never doped or done anything illegal in athletics. One has to give them the benefit of the doubt because when Muslims mention their mother it would be a very grave crime for them not to tell the truth. Allah the mighty is the ultimate judge in that case. They would have too much to lose by risking this. Allah and their mothers are the most important people in their lives.