Noah Lyles 18.90 200m. Discuss.

Here's the track:-

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bradenton,+FL,+USA/@27.4417554,-82.6103732,191m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88c3164fdea682f1:0xfa9d3b7d4ef1fd5a!8m2!3d27.4989278!4d-82.5748194

You can clearly see that at the North end, the lanes are numbered on a sprint stagger 1-8 for the 200m, and at the South end the lanes are numbered on a sprint stagger for 400m.

So presumably the T&F official had it originally marked at the 400m start end, but with a customised start a few cm away from the 800m lane markings. When the TV official got them to move to lane 5 the person that moved it presumably just went to where it said "5" with a nice thick white line and assumed that was the correct start. Lyles would have seen it look "right" as he was in a numbered lane etc, even if common sense should have told him he was too far around the stagger.

Does that make sense?

Interesting, so the track is marked so the finish line is ordinarily on the opposite side of the bleachers. That is strange.

It's not right.

End of story.

I was so bored I watched Noah Lyles not run a world record. Make a story BroJos.

Hardloper wrote:

Noah Lyles 18.90 200m. Discuss.

PS.....around here it's 'Discus'.

Drei Streifen wrote:

From the United States Track & Field Officials Facebook group:

“ Before you all rake us over the coals and say bad officiating please know the facts. As the head official I was asked where the Mark was for the 200 meters for lane 3 so I showed them. That was on Wednesday. Today before the race someone in Zurich Switzerland who was watching through a TV monitor told the timer to move the block to lane 5. I nor any of my officials were notified and the placement of this block was truly positioned by someone in Zurich and the guy who moved it was only doing what he was told to do. He knows nothing about track because he usually times swim meets but he was there helping because he was familiar with how the equipment works.”

This doesn't make sense.

Start with this. What solid line is on the track that is 15m short of 200m?

As noted the track is marked to run all the races from either side of the track.

If they moved the blocks from lane 3 to accidentally the 400m start in lane 5, then the difference is 15 m.

Drei Streifen wrote:

From the United States Track & Field Officials Facebook group:

“ Before you all rake us over the coals and say bad officiating please know the facts. As the head official I was asked where the Mark was for the 200 meters for lane 3 so I showed them. That was on Wednesday. Today before the race someone in Zurich Switzerland who was watching through a TV monitor told the timer to move the block to lane 5. I nor any of my officials were notified and the placement of this block was truly positioned by someone in Zurich and the guy who moved it was only doing what he was told to do. He knows nothing about track because he usually times swim meets but he was there helping because he was familiar with how the equipment works.”

Don't even go there! You had one job, and one job only! ....... And your mistake completely ruined the Weltklasse Zurich Inspiration Games!

Hold on, everyone!

The 185 should have its own world record. Completely different event from the 200. Different training, different energy systems. Canova might have said "you have your fast guys who are good at the 185, your resistant guys who are good at 200, and then your in-between guys who are good at 192.5, but you can't train them all the same way."*

*sarcasm alert...I stole this from a conversation I had with a HS coach where he was insisting that the 1500 and 1600 were vastly different races with different training, etc.

The problems when officiating is done on Zoom? These guys seemed to have phoned this in?

I wondered why Noah, who's been around the track before, didn't see this obvious and significant mistake. But it does seem like they did their best to make this confusing.

Stating the obvious wrote:

JacksonSF wrote:

Don't even go there! You had one job, and one job only! ....... And your mistake completely ruined the Weltklasse Zurich Inspiration Games!

The problems when officiating is done on Zoom? These guys seemed to have phoned this in?

I wondered why Noah, who's been around the track before, didn't see this obvious and significant mistake. But it does seem like they did their best to make this confusing.

All seven venues had a staff of certified meet officials working. Each venue also had a knowledgeable team of track and field people to help make sure that every "t" was crossed, and every "i" was dotted. Six of the seven venues got it right! Bradenton was the only venue that failed!

Hardloper wrote:

Noah Lyles 18.90 200m. Discuss.

I ran a 3:30 mile like this once. RD said, “are you sure it was short?” Me: “Hah... yes.”

D.Katz wrote:

As noted the track is marked to run all the races from either side of the track.

If they moved the blocks from lane 3 to accidentally the 400m start in lane 5, then the difference is 15 m.

So what you're saying is they originally set up at the 400m start in lane 3 then moved to the 400m start in lane 5? Using a 1.22 lane width I calculate 15.33m actual difference (14.70m nominal). Is that what you got?

JacksonSF wrote:Don't even go there! You had one job, and one job only! ....... And your mistake completely ruined the Weltklasse Zurich Inspiration Games!

yeahhh, well, they did a 100 'yards' event, so this must not really be the most serious meet and hardly anyone cares about it

btw allyson felix did a great job, beat shaunae