Caster Semenya wife is pregnant..

"wrongly" wow, didn't realize that we had an actual doctor that oversees births at a credible hospital trolling around letsrun!

"she has internal testicles" you know this, how? From my knowledge there hasn't been any report on what Semenya has down there that's been released, but if I'm wrong, please link me. And don't link me to that horribly biased Australian news article.

I think people forget that she didn't willfully choose to identify as a female. She was assigned female at birth and raised that way and this is a completely different topic than transgender individuals competing with women.

King Tiger wrote:

"To a hammer every problem looks like a nail"

This is exactly why they try to convince us to accept definitions based on hormonal differences:

---They can easily measure it in blood tests

---They can alter it through HRT

BUT the differences in men vs. woman can't simply be reduced to hormonal differences.

For instance men and woman even have different muscle mass, heart rate, temperature, lung capacity, skeletal structure, ligament laxity, etc. And there is no way to change most of these.

Hell if dig up a skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis, do I do a hormone test to determine the sex??? Don't let these athletic commissions pull the wool over your eyes. They are just doing what is in their own interests and what is convenient for them.

What's your solution?

Intersex and trans people exist and they have a right to compete in competitions. Nobody has the right to tell them they have to take hormones to alter there bodies in order to compete.

If your solution is to say trans and intersex should compete with men you are defining womanhood, which is a sexist endeavour men have participated in for centuries.

Even if you find a way to decide who should be in women's events you must understand how humiliating it is for someone who considers herself a woman and known as a woman to her friends and family to compete in the men's?

The important thing is that she is no longer allowed to compete "as-is" at her best distances and will no longer be winning gold medals. The IAAF winning in court was fantastic news. Why does anyone care if her wife is pregnant?

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Viking21 wrote:

In my opinion, Semenya waived the right to common decency and respect when she chose not to extend that very same thing to the legitimate female competitors who she has repeatedly robbed on the track. I have zero sympathy for her.

I don’t think you know what “robbed” means. She ran a two-lap race against them and beat them fairly.

Did you type that with a straight face? If my son, a decent college runner, goes to the Olympics and takes a gold in a two lap women's race, has he beat them fairly? Now, if he were to beat Semenya straight up, that would be fair. They both have benefited from male testosterone levels. But, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You are apparently an idiot.

Lisanne and also American Phyllis Francis

Viking21 wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I don’t think you know what “robbed” means. She ran a two-lap race against them and beat them fairly.

Did you type that with a straight face? If my son, a decent college runner, goes to the Olympics and takes a gold in a two lap women's race, has he beat them fairly? Now, if he were to beat Semenya straight up, that would be fair. They both have benefited from male testosterone levels. But, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You are apparently an idiot.

But is your son isn't trans or intersex? Are you under the illusion loads of young men are going to give up the benefits of being a decent male college runner to live some sort of fake dual existence for the rest of their lives?

Viking21 wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I don’t think you know what “robbed” means. She ran a two-lap race against them and beat them fairly.

Did you type that with a straight face? If my son, a decent college runner, goes to the Olympics and takes a gold in a two lap women's race, has he beat them fairly? Now, if he were to beat Semenya straight up, that would be fair. They both have benefited from male testosterone levels. But, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You are apparently an idiot.

I don’t think that is what happened with Semenya, who has always been a woman.

But if you’re son decides to live his life as a woman, from that point on he should compete against women.

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

Even if Caster did impregnate her wife via intercourse, she’s still a WOMAN so she runs against other WOMEN.

Women can't impregnate other women. Squares are not circles.

In Semenya's case, he/she is intersex so it is a bit more complicated.

ex-runner wrote:

miss piggy wrote:

Now do you all finally believe that Caster Semenya is a man?!?!?

Jesus Christ this cheating coward stole medals from real women for a decade and it took the IAAF a 5 year law suit and 2.4 million dollars in legal fees to get him out of the sport.

What is the likelihood that Semenya is the father?

Pretty good. She has internal testes.

I am pretty sure medical science could find a way.

Ben Franklin wrote:

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

Even if Caster did impregnate her wife via intercourse, she’s still a WOMAN so she runs against other WOMEN.

Women can't impregnate other women. Squares are not circles.

In Semenya's case, he/she is intersex so it is a bit more complicated.

It's not complicated. She's a woman. She should run against women.

If you find that complicated, you might be an idiot.

Ben Franklin wrote:

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

Even if Caster did impregnate her wife via intercourse, she’s still a WOMAN so she runs against other WOMEN.

Women can't impregnate other women. Squares are not circles.

In Semenya's case, he/she is intersex so it is a bit more complicated.

It's not complicated. She's a woman. She should run against women.

If you find that complicated, you might be an idiot.

Ben Franklin wrote:

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

Even if Caster did impregnate her wife via intercourse, she’s still a WOMAN so she runs against other WOMEN.

Women can't impregnate other women. Squares are not circles.

In Semenya's case, he/she is intersex so it is a bit more complicated.

It's not complicated. She's a woman. She should run against women.

If you find that complicated, you might be an idiot.

It still seems that your argument is, "She should be able to choose to compete against women because I like it better that way." You're looking at how she must feel and being sympathetic to her, but then acting like her feelings here are the only thing that matter. Other people she competes against are also worth considering. So again, why draw any line between men and women's sports if we are going to be arbitrary? It defeats the point of doing that.

Maybe another one you are saying is that, "She should compete against women because she wouldn't be successful against men." But most XY males aren't good enough either, so I don't get that one.

It still seems that your argument is, "She should be able to choose to compete against women because I like it better that way." You're looking at how she must feel and being sympathetic to her, but then acting like her feelings here are the only thing that matter. Other people she competes against are also worth considering. So again, why draw any line between men and women's sports if we are going to be arbitrary? It defeats the point of doing that.

Maybe another one you are saying is that, "She should compete against women because she wouldn't be successful against men." But most XY males aren't good enough either, so I don't get that one.

Yeah, but those things (muscle mass, long capacity, etc.) are determined largely by hormones she had in development.

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

Ben Franklin wrote:

Women can't impregnate other women. Squares are not circles.

In Semenya's case, he/she is intersex so it is a bit more complicated.

It's not complicated. She's a woman. She should run against women.

If you find that complicated, you might be an idiot.

You can keep calling people idiots, but obviously the courts and IAAF must be idiots too, since they are restricting the events in which Semenya is allowed to compete.

DougC wrote:

Armin Tamzarian wrote:

It's not complicated. She's a woman. She should run against women.

If you find that complicated, you might be an idiot.

You can keep calling people idiots, but obviously the courts and IAAF must be idiots too, since they are restricting the events in which Semenya is allowed to compete.

We agree on that.

integral (e^x) wrote:

It still seems that your argument is, "She should be able to choose to compete against women because I like it better that way." You're looking at how she must feel and being sympathetic to her, but then acting like her feelings here are the only thing that matter. Other people she competes against are also worth considering. So again, why draw any line between men and women's sports if we are going to be arbitrary? It defeats the point of doing that.

Maybe another one you are saying is that, "She should compete against women because she wouldn't be successful against men." But most XY males aren't good enough either, so I don't get that one.

I never said either of those things.

1. She's not "choosing to compete against women." She is a woman. Women should run against women. It's crazy that you see that as controversial takes.

2. I never said she should compete against women because she can't compete against men. Someone suggested that she would be in the "changing room" with male athletes if she ran in the male division. I was pointing out that she, just like most males you mention, is not fast enough to run against males. But I am NOT saying that is why she should run against women,

She should run against women because she is a woman. That is the argument.

The IAAF made the case that she is biologically a male and won the argument. She was identified as female at birth and grew up believing she was female, but that did not make it fair for her to be allowed to compete against women without testosterone suppression.