We are seeing the most widespread community protests over the abuse of police power in America in over half a century and the OP is asking for "evidence of black oppression". The question itself goes some way in explaining why the protests are occurring. Deafness is also a cultural feature.
How many blacks are having their prison sentence changed to home confinement due to Covid?
Ask yourself that. They see the whitey privilege every day.
Good intentions only. Grow up and drop the attitude, some of us are trying to listen to other perspectives.
how are white dominated communities blocking minorities?
I have to say that I have many of the same questions as the OP. I'm a little discouraged by the majority of responses that are basically saying to not look for the truth but just trust people's opinions. I know a lot of people who have very distorted views of reality based on their experiences and so I don't find it to be wise to base your evaluation of a situation ENTIRELY on people's feelings. Instead of just running with the surface-level stats on this, I feel like there is probably a deeper interpretation of these numbers that might help validate the experiences of many people living it.
I really don't think it's helpful to discourage discussion on this topic. People are obviously raw and emotional right now about it but what better time to discuss?? Isn't the goal to win over people? I'd LOVE to be convinced that there is systemic racism so that I can help defeat it. The logical side of my brain is not there yet.
My questions:
1) Same as OP with regards to crime stats. Blacks commit more crimes than whites and are therefore incarcerated more. Seems simple to me. The reasons why are surely quite varied but this is the hard evidence. Are they incarcerated disproportionately but unfairly so? I'd love to know if that's the case.
2. Same as OP and what has really kept me on the sidelines of this whole protest movement: is the ANY evidence to support this being a racially-driven act by this officer? Or is all of this rioting entirely misled and should be redirected towards police brutality? I hate the lynch mob mentality - that is not how justice is served. If there is evidence of racism here, let's riot. If not, let's fix the policing in this country. If it's both, let's fix both.
3. Can we really blame people for adapting and reacting to their environments? This will surely bother a lot of you but hear me out. We have evolved to recognize patterns and adjust. It's why those silly optical illusions work because our brains learn to fill in the gaps using trends, patterns, and relevant information. Like the question above if a guy in a suit driving a lexus would be treated the same way. Probably not! Why? Because social class is a decent predictor of criminality. A person would walk more carefully on a sidewalk next to a 2000' cliff than a normal flat sidewalk in a neighborhood because the threat is greater. So if black males are much more likely to commit a crime, wouldn't it be EXPECTED for people to act differently? It's the same reason women I know will switch sides of the road when they're running if a suspicious looking male is walking towards them but wouldn't if a female was walking towards them. The male is much more likely to cause issues and so the female runner will adapt. It's not racist or sexist, just adapting to reality.
I'll say it again, I would love to join in on this. I genuinely am trying to learn about it. Please don't just berate me and offer nothing - it doesn't help. I'm here willing to learn with some questions. How often in this political climate is anyone actually willing to learn? So let's take advantage of the situation, find the truth, and all get on board. One way or the other.
For starters I would just recommend watching the documentary ‘13th’.
Keep talking like you all know what it’s like to be black. You’re so open-minded! It’s an old white alt-right echo chamber in here!
I’m looking for information and willing to learn. Do you have anything to contribute?
The post from Former West pointer - here:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10042725&page=1#10044411
... should be essential reading
Juice Springsteen wrote:
For starters I would just recommend watching the documentary ‘13th’.
You get about as much factual insight from watching a Netflix entertainment program like "13th" as you would catching a rerun of Law and Order or Ancient Aliens on the History Channel
Rando white guy wrote:
I have to say that I have many of the same questions as the OP. I'm a little discouraged by the majority of responses that are basically saying to not look for the truth but just trust people's opinions. I know a lot of people who have very distorted views of reality based on their experiences and so I don't find it to be wise to base your evaluation of a situation ENTIRELY on people's feelings. Instead of just running with the surface-level stats on this, I feel like there is probably a deeper interpretation of these numbers that might help validate the experiences of many people living it.
I really don't think it's helpful to discourage discussion on this topic. People are obviously raw and emotional right now about it but what better time to discuss?? Isn't the goal to win over people? I'd LOVE to be convinced that there is systemic racism so that I can help defeat it. The logical side of my brain is not there yet.
My questions:
1) Same as OP with regards to crime stats. Blacks commit more crimes than whites and are therefore incarcerated more. Seems simple to me. The reasons why are surely quite varied but this is the hard evidence. Are they incarcerated disproportionately but unfairly so? I'd love to know if that's the case.
2. Same as OP and what has really kept me on the sidelines of this whole protest movement: is the ANY evidence to support this being a racially-driven act by this officer? Or is all of this rioting entirely misled and should be redirected towards police brutality? I hate the lynch mob mentality - that is not how justice is served. If there is evidence of racism here, let's riot. If not, let's fix the policing in this country. If it's both, let's fix both.
3. Can we really blame people for adapting and reacting to their environments? This will surely bother a lot of you but hear me out. We have evolved to recognize patterns and adjust. It's why those silly optical illusions work because our brains learn to fill in the gaps using trends, patterns, and relevant information. Like the question above if a guy in a suit driving a lexus would be treated the same way. Probably not! Why? Because social class is a decent predictor of criminality. A person would walk more carefully on a sidewalk next to a 2000' cliff than a normal flat sidewalk in a neighborhood because the threat is greater. So if black males are much more likely to commit a crime, wouldn't it be EXPECTED for people to act differently? It's the same reason women I know will switch sides of the road when they're running if a suspicious looking male is walking towards them but wouldn't if a female was walking towards them. The male is much more likely to cause issues and so the female runner will adapt. It's not racist or sexist, just adapting to reality.
I'll say it again, I would love to join in on this. I genuinely am trying to learn about it. Please don't just berate me and offer nothing - it doesn't help. I'm here willing to learn with some questions. How often in this political climate is anyone actually willing to learn? So let's take advantage of the situation, find the truth, and all get on board. One way or the other.
1) As you've said reasons are varied. I don't think anyone disputes blacks are incarcerated more. Heck, that's one thing everyone can agree on.
2) It's not about whether there was racist murderous intent from one officer. If you have different policing methods for blacks and whites or lexus drivers or whatever and differences in policing leads to a death. Then yes, that is a discrimination-based killing.
3) We all use stereotypes you are correct. But when those stereotypes are blatantly causing harm then we all have a duty to educate ourselves. Racial stereotypes are not harmless. If the police search every black man in an area and only half of white men then yes you'll probably find more crime in blacks because you've looked harder for it.
[quote]Rando white guy wrote:
. Blacks commit more crimes than whites and are therefore incarcerated more. Seems simple to me.
What? The Wall Street criminals steal more $$ every single week than all black people ever born have stolen in their entire lives combined.
Yet these real criminals never go to real prison.
Don't believe the hype
Let’s run is not a very diverse set of posters. Ask some of your black friends about their experiences, and listen.
local lib wrote:
Let’s run is not a very diverse set of posters. Ask some of your black friends about their experiences, and listen.
+1,000
local lib wrote:
Let’s run is not a very diverse set of posters. Ask some of your black friends about their experiences, and listen.
I have and all but one among our coaching staff and athletes on the team are disgusted by the rioting and looting by so many involved in these "protests".
Victimized is in the eye of the... wrote:
local lib wrote:
Let’s run is not a very diverse set of posters. Ask some of your black friends about their experiences, and listen.
I have and all but one among our coaching staff and athletes on the team are disgusted by the rioting and looting by so many involved in these "protests".
Is that asking them about their experiences or talking about opinions.? Why, when I mentioned “experiences of your black friends”, did your mind instantly go rioting and looting?
Victimized is in the eye of the... wrote:
local lib wrote:
Let’s run is not a very diverse set of posters. Ask some of your black friends about their experiences, and listen.
I have and all but one among our coaching staff and athletes on the team are disgusted by the rioting and looting by so many involved in these "protests".
The protests and the rioting are separate groups. Who isn’t disgusted by rioting and looting? Where do you get your information?
GoodIntentions;-) wrote:
Victimized is in the eye of the... wrote:
I have and all but one among our coaching staff and athletes on the team are disgusted by the rioting and looting by so many involved in these "protests".
The protests and the rioting are separate groups. Who isn’t disgusted by rioting and looting? Where do you get your information?
Apparently the same place as all of the "protesters" that are NOT helping solve anything.