Oops, didn't notice the typo-o in those daily distances when I copied and pasted from the source. Clearly its not 2.5 miles but 25 miles.
In summary, Franks's strategy was:
Wake at 3am, run 25 miles at 10-12 minute pace
Break
Run another 25 miles
Break
Then, cover as much ground as he could with remaining strength by dark and turning in for the night
Rinse and repeat
Allen Sp. wrote:
doubler wrote:I'm sure it has probably been mentioned in the prior 200 pages--but here goes..
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2016/05/11/marathon-man-marks-860-mile-world-record-called-into-question/Rob is quoted in this article - and other articles questioning Vaz's run because of his impossible pace.
Why, can Rob question Mark's run based on seemingly impossible pacing, but anyone that questions Rob is a hater?
Mark dropped his claim to the Guinness claim, but I can't find where he actually admitted to cheating.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Are these typical inane questions from Let's Run forum posters?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
reader of the thread wrote:
Ghhrexf wrote:Can someone enlighten me on RY's experience running multiple 50 mile days in a row, before this record attempt. It seems to me his experience has only been daily 26-30 mile runs.
He's run 147 miles in 48 hours on a TM. (Dean did that in 24 hrs, for comparison.) He claims to have run 373 mile no sleep non-stop and CoachKev and ARealPersson were supposedly there for the last 80 or so miles of that. And he probably did multiple 26-mile days in a row, but who really knows how many and how well. So we're all not sure how he will hold up for 2 weeks attempt 50-60 miles a day. The race across usa was basically 26 miles a day for 6 days in a row, then a rest day. Repeat. And there are some questions about his performance there because there are reports that each morning he would sprint off like a bat out of hell at sub-6 pace and get to the first two aid stations (6.6 and 13.1 miles) before they were staffed, and then jog/walk into the finish with a smile on his face. He finished the last stage in Washington DC before they had the finish line set up.
lol now you are criticising the fact he won the race across america with hear say
He wont it, that is all that matters.
Breer, I'm from Iowa wrote:
Frank's plan was to reach Fort Collins, CO at an average of 60 miles per day. After that, he planned to average 70 miles per day. The plan was to run 2.5 miles at 10-12 minutes per mile, walk a little, run 2.5 again and repeat the process through twenty miles; then break for breakfast for one hour; run/walk another twenty miles; break one hour for lunch; then run as many miles as possible into the nighttime hours. The first four days across California were rough. Frank's pace was slow. California roads were very busy. The family was not making enough sacrifices in an effort to reach seventy miles per day. Instead of foregoing showers and parking near the finish marker, the family would drive out of its way for a KOA, in order to be comfortable after the fifty or so miles they had covered. This pace was far below the 60 miles and ultimately 70 miles that would be needed daily.
Suffice it to say, things worked out in the end. The group tightened up the routine. They grabbed showers when available. Only Frank bathed at the end of the day in the motor home shower. Frank's mileage routine increased. After Fort Collins, the crew awoke at 3:00 AM; Frank ran 25 miles; broke for breakfast; twenty five more miles; lunch; then as many miles as possible by dark. They reached the 70-mile goal almost every day and finished in 46 days 8 hours 36 minutes. The Guinness Book of World Records still lists it as the fastest crossing of the United States on foot.
http://www.shoe-fitter.com/run-USA.html
GPS or no GPS, if RY's account at least sounded something like this, you could give him the benefit of the doubt. Their approaches and experiences couldn't be more different. And Gianninno made the obvious observation that your days up to the Rockies should be smaller in terms of mileage than the days after them, not much larger.
Tom Crockford wrote:
Does anyone have any actual conclusive proof he has cheated? Not just theories and bitter conspiracy born from jealousy and deep loathed hatred of their own failures in life?
I genuinely want to know if he has cheated but I also think alot of people on here have issues.
"50 miles at 5:30-6:00 pace" doesn't do it for you?
I am curious....
OK, robs Web site has him going Route 40 through Indiana and Illinois (Pre-Planned Route).
Just looked at the live tracker and it shows that he is on I-70 - several miles off course (per the pre-planned route). Hey LAZ - WTF is going on here? I am pretty sure it is against the law to run on an Interstate Freeway System.
Please update whoever is with this guy. Unless the tracker is again in the RV which makes absolutely no damn sense at all!
I-70, isn't that the road Rossi took in 2014?
BackUpRV Driver wrote:
I am curious....
OK, robs Web site has him going Route 40 through Indiana and Illinois (Pre-Planned Route).
Just looked at the live tracker and it shows that he is on I-70 - several miles off course (per the pre-planned route). Hey LAZ - WTF is going on here? I am pretty sure it is against the law to run on an Interstate Freeway System.
Please update whoever is with this guy. Unless the tracker is again in the RV which makes absolutely no damn sense at all!
BackUpRV Driver wrote:
I am curious....
OK, robs Web site has him going Route 40 through Indiana and Illinois (Pre-Planned Route).
Just looked at the live tracker and it shows that he is on I-70 - several miles off course (per the pre-planned route). Hey LAZ - WTF is going on here? I am pretty sure it is against the law to run on an Interstate Freeway System.
Please update whoever is with this guy. Unless the tracker is again in the RV which makes absolutely no damn sense at all!
So now this Laz guy has him running ON the INTERSTATE? WTF? I thought he was all about safety?
Doubler wrote:
Pretty sure When/if he makes it to the Dayton,OH area, I'd be able to keep up with him. I'll probably show up somewhere around there.
Doubler, please email me at
UltraListTracking@gmail.comas we approach Dayton.
Racergirl wrote:
a What weather is he likely to face over the next couple of weeks, assuming he continues?
b Are the routes across the Appalachians switchbacks with sustained but not awful inclines, or straight up and over?
c From what I've gathered your Interstates are like our motorways and have a no pedestrians rule (on a state by state basis?) - do they have a minimum speed limit for vehicles?
d Where do these attempts usually end in NY? What alternatives does he have to Times Square? I laughed when someone said they wouldn't be able to roll into NYC at 3mph - I thought the traffic was usually gridlocked anyway?!
a. He's chosen a pretty miserable route across the middle of the country for this time of year, being so far south. He will be facing probably 80F temps at minimum during daylight the rest of the way, easily could be 90F+ high temperatures at any point, probably 60F-70F overnight.
b. The Appalachians are much smaller mountains than the Rockies, but they would be a formidable challenge to run across. I would guess no switchbacks like you're used to seeing on the TdF or in movies.
c. Yes, there is a minimum speed limit anywhere I've ever been (~40 states) and no pedestrians. RV drivers will most likely get killed in a rear ending if they take the interstates.
d. Ending this attempt in NYC would be for publicity only. My best guess is that rush hour gridlock would be the best time to roll the RV across any bridge leading to Manhattan as he and team then won't get murdered in a road rage incident.
Times Square is an awful place if you hate unfathomable swarms of walking tourists and literally one of the last first world places on earth anyone, let alone an outsider would want to drive an RV. He will get honked at and cussed out >10,000 times if he crawls that RV through Manhattan. If Laz is a good man, he will not tell them this and someone will hopefully film it.
I also feel pity for him and will root for him if he admits to what happened in the west, drops the 'record' facade and guts this thing out.
take him down wrote:
yournottoobright wrote:We need him to upload his TomTom data from the start of the run. That's ALL we need.
No dumb dumb, that's not all we need.
^this
We don't need intricate logic using tracking/backtracking/phone calls/photos of his watch(!)/videos of crack whores/etc. to convince his fans that his run is not credible. To them times are completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that he has run X "marathons" during one day. 3 marathons at 18 min/mile pace is way more impressive than one 2h marathon.
We need clear photos, clear maps and clear quotes to take him down once and for all.[/quote]
http://allroadcams.com/near?c=AZ_Kingman-- just a place to start.
Racergirl wrote:
a What weather is he likely to face over the next couple of weeks, assuming he continues?
b Are the routes across the Appalachians switchbacks with sustained but not awful inclines, or straight up and over?
c From what I've gathered your Interstates are like our motorways and have a no pedestrians rule (on a state by state basis?) - do they have a minimum speed limit for vehicles?
d Where do these attempts usually end in NY? What alternatives does he have to Times Square? I laughed when someone said they wouldn't be able to roll into NYC at 3mph - I thought the traffic was usually gridlocked anyway?!
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a Hot and probably quite humid, at least compared to the UK.
b The roads I have driven go straight over but generally at gaps / through valleys rather than the highest point. The Appalachians aren't really that high anyway, we are not talking about the Rocky Mountains or the Alps.
c Yes, Interstates are like motorways and are generally restricted to certain types of traffic. Some states I think have minimum speed limits. Driving and running at 5mph on the busy East coast Interstates would be a quick way to bring this run to an abrupt and messy end!
d Don't see why he has to enter NYC at all. It could end anywhere on the East Coast as long as he has run the minimum distance required for the record.
Where the heck is Rojo? Does he understand watches yet? Has anyone been flown in?
Tom Crockford wrote:
lol now you are criticising the fact he won the race across america with hear say
That was reported by a professor from Purdue University who completed race across usa with RY. And Carlson wasn't being critical, just fascinatetd at RY's unusual racing technique and success. Read Carlson's blog post. He says that RY would start at 5:00-5:30 pace. Is that hearsay?
http://www.bryceacarlson.com/blog/rausa-early-reflections/Race across usa never posted any data from that event other than a spreadsheet with finishing times for each day.
I'm not saying that RY didn't run every stage of race across usa, but I am saying that there is not much verification for it. If RY has distorted and exaggerated other claims, this is open to question.
Ultra List Tracking wrote:
Doubler wrote:Pretty sure When/if he makes it to the Dayton,OH area, I'd be able to keep up with him. I'll probably show up somewhere around there.
Doubler, please email me at
UltraListTracking@gmail.comas we approach Dayton.
will do. Not sure who all is who with the letsrun handles..but I am in an email loop with laz and others. I can probably bring some supplies to assist you guys if anything is needed.
You can email me
derek@marathoninvestigation.comin the meantime.
Is there a total mileage he has now? he needs 2978 so what does he need a day from here on out.
I wonder if his quads will seize up going down the Appalachians. Walk up slow but the downhills even walking are gonna take a toll. Once the cramps come he will not have time to recover so they'll just start cycling in and out of cramping
Not pretty what he has to look forward to. Hope he makes it across for whatever it means to him.
the gander wrote:
Ultra List Tracking wrote:Doubler, please email me at
UltraListTracking@gmail.comas we approach Dayton.
will do. Not sure who all is who with the letsrun handles..but I am in an email loop with laz and others. I can probably bring some supplies to assist you guys if anything is needed.
You can email me
derek@marathoninvestigation.comin the meantime.
Looks like you forgot to sign in before you posted. lol
reader of the thread wrote:
Tom Crockford wrote:lol now you are criticising the fact he won the race across america with hear say
That was reported by a professor from Purdue University who completed race across usa with RY. And Carlson wasn't being critical, just fascinatetd at RY's unusual racing technique and success. Read Carlson's blog post. He says that RY would start at 5:00-5:30 pace. Is that hearsay?
http://www.bryceacarlson.com/blog/rausa-early-reflections/Race across usa never posted any data from that event other than a spreadsheet with finishing times for each day.
I'm not saying that RY didn't run every stage of race across usa, but I am saying that there is not much verification for it. If RY has distorted and exaggerated other claims, this is open to question.
technically, yeah..but another runner confirmed that Rob would blow through before anyone was there to see him, at least initially.
the gander wrote:
Ultra List Tracking wrote:Doubler, please email me at
UltraListTracking@gmail.comas we approach Dayton.
will do. Not sure who all is who with the letsrun handles..but I am in an email loop with laz and others. I can probably bring some supplies to assist you guys if anything is needed.
You can email me
derek@marathoninvestigation.comin the meantime.
Do you need money? I can't go out there but can help
Ooops wrote:
the gander wrote:will do. Not sure who all is who with the letsrun handles..but I am in an email loop with laz and others. I can probably bring some supplies to assist you guys if anything is needed.
You can email me
derek@marathoninvestigation.comin the meantime.
Looks like you forgot to sign in before you posted. lol
lol..that should give some ammunition to the trolls for a couple of pages.