This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
If "ultra-endurance events are unpredictable", why is it that Goodge's unmonitored events can be predicted with 99.9% certainty? The exact same pattern every single time.
The bloke can barely run 3hrs for the marathon - he's clearly not the generational athlete he's claiming to be, you'd have to be gullible or ignorant to believe him
At this point, there’s no chance of a fair discussion.
It’s the same heart rate debate that’s been rehashed for 199 pages.
WillC’s bias is obvious - believe whatever you want.
Ok farewell, but this is important stuff. An announced world record attempt by a big gun has been announced for 2026, and if he's going after some fantasy time, like 35 days, posted by Goodge without a scratch on him... dancing to rap... drinking beers after a mere 12 hours in the field... smoking... and 90% of it off a heart rate of 105... and with sponsors falling over themselves to be a part of it all, it will be a tragedy for our noble sport.
Goodge failed dismally to break the British record for Transcon, but that didn't stop him plastering it all over the media that he got it. Shameless, fraudulent activity that he's never addressed or answered to. Nor has he addressed mistakenly posting a single day of his Whoop in a commercial that very clearly showed 4 hours of running missing. We have asked him as a community dozens of times to address this, but he never does, and never will.
This all has grim precedent as a no-hoper smashed the Jogle record [set by an all time legend] by 10% back in 2002, with splits bordering on ludicrous farce [never below 90 in a day, and 98 on day 6]. All patently absurd. But it rendered that event dead in the water as a going concern quite possibly forever.
Anyway, there will be an awful lot of eyes on this, and Davidddd I know you will be waving through 6 minute Ks off 105bpm, but you'll be alone on your hill, mercifully the rest of us will be down on him like a load of bricks if and when the nonsense starts [usually on day 3 or 4].
I already know of people camping out on the course for at least 10 days of it, and podcasts are geared up to closely observe too, and hopefully Turnbull won't take any sh*t, despite his generous support for WG in public.
Whatever happens, it will all be fascinating, and this time he's going to wear the tracker and not leave it in the van. Progress.
At this point, there’s no chance of a fair discussion.
It’s the same heart rate debate that’s been rehashed for 199 pages.
WillC’s bias is obvious - believe whatever you want.
It's pretty simple really. Goodge just have to run a properly monitored race and we look at his heart rate then.
He lives in Ampthill, Bedford UK. There is a great 100k race in London May 10th. Maybe he can do that one.
London 100 10 May 2025, 07:00 – 23:50 Queen Mothers Sports Centre, 223 Vauxhall Bridge Rd, Pimlico, London SW1V 1EL, UK
Camino Ultra are excited to be partnering to bring a new 100KM to Central London
With our glorious HQ at Queen Mothers Sports Centre you will face four 25KM legs - North - South - East & West Passing over 100 iconic London places this will be an event to bring together first time and fast runners
London based ultramarathon running event company | Camino Ultra Challenge yourself with our ultramarathon running events, discover new trails, become better runner...
At this point, there’s no chance of a fair discussion.
It’s the same heart rate debate that’s been rehashed for 199 pages.
WillC’s bias is obvious - believe whatever you want.
It's pretty simple really. Goodge just have to run a properly monitored race and we look at his heart rate then.
He lives in Ampthill, Bedford UK. There is a great 100k race in London May 10th. Maybe he can do that one.
London 100 10 May 2025, 07:00 – 23:50 Queen Mothers Sports Centre, 223 Vauxhall Bridge Rd, Pimlico, London SW1V 1EL, UK
Camino Ultra are excited to be partnering to bring a new 100KM to Central London
With our glorious HQ at Queen Mothers Sports Centre you will face four 25KM legs - North - South - East & West Passing over 100 iconic London places this will be an event to bring together first time and fast runners
Thanks but it's ok... his heart is always spot on perfect for his monitored races [and all his training], Moab excluded where there's no-one around for miles and he had Balenger and his buddies filming him from the car. But not a single other anomaly in his career, ever, outside these very specific events.
The guy has the highest, most regular, most perfect heart rate I've ever seen.
If "ultra-endurance events are unpredictable", why is it that Goodge's unmonitored events can be predicted with 99.9% certainty? The exact same pattern every single time.
The bloke can barely run 3hrs for the marathon - he's clearly not the generational athlete he's claiming to be, you'd have to be gullible or ignorant to believe him
Thank you comrade - a perfect way to bring up 200 pages - with just about the most nailed on comment of the 3,980+ that have been.
Every. Single. Time. You name it, same modus operandi:
No problems and stellar, often world-class splits Incredible amount of media and cinematographers Heart crashing to 105 when the sh*t starts to hit the fan, but no decrease in pace. The guy never has a bad or ropey session! Absolutely amazing negative splits at Jogle: out in 8.5 back in 7; Transcon, out in 31, back in 24; and Moab, out in 44, back in 40. [The winner was out in 27 back in 40]
Whatever, you’ve already overlooked that Pete Kostelnick is attempting the record this November so much for being the all-knowing multi-day expert.
Funny how he’s not under WillC’s radar of scrutiny. Oh, that’s right because this isn’t about fairness, it’s a personal vendetta.
Don't be so patently absurd. I've scrutinized PK as much as WG, mainly to see how it's done. I have no bias to PK, in fact he hates my guts and thinks that WG is nothing special and there's nothing to see, so why bother with all the fuss. Says 50 a day is easy, which it is, technically, but nothing like at the pace WG was doing them in, and nothing like at the HR. Also PK ignores that WG was creeping up to 70 by the end and basically holding him for quality.
PK has loads of data aberrations, but they're clearly completely natural in their chaos - no pattern or predictability and most often his heart is too high, mainly due to the ferocious effort he was putting in. As one commenter said, "why is your heart trying to escape from your body, like a scene from Alien?" But there's not a single day where he doesn't register a pretty darn credible pulse. For Goodge and Balenger, they're only ever at 10% credibility.
Also, crucially, PK has shown form. His CV was magnificent and he had clearly put in the miles. WG has neither attributes, nothing like. PK has over 30 ultra podiums and at least a dozen wins.
Your accusation that I have a vendetta is stillborn, and is precisely the same daft excuse that Rivett has toward me. I have only gone after two runners ever, plus I read the riot act to Johnson and Brockmann for their depraved lies that they were gonna be the best runners in history by 10% & 4% for their brutal challenges.
So, no vendettas, just trying to save our sport from getting asset-stripped and its history devalued by these shameless arrogant charlatans.
This post was edited 5 minutes after it was posted.
Has it occurred to anyone else that possibly he has a Brompton secreted in his RV ? An easy way to log the miles with an elevated ( but not elevated enough) heart rate.
Has it occurred to anyone else that possibly he has a Brompton secreted in his RV ? An easy way to log the miles with an elevated ( but not elevated enough) heart rate.
heh, it has been looked at, and defo a bike out in transcon. But by far the easiest and simplest way is to mess up the heart monitor [ie by wearing the watch too loose], and then just relay it with your buddies. Even if WG is doing 95% it makes a world of difference. And they all love a good relay as the diabolical speed project through the desert attests. He puts up appallingly quick times there, but never denotes on Strava he's flitting in and out of the race, so of course he hasn't done crazy stull like 70k in 6 hours; but he never makes that clear.
If "ultra-endurance events are unpredictable", why is it that Goodge's unmonitored events can be predicted with 99.9% certainty? The exact same pattern every single time.
The bloke can barely run 3hrs for the marathon - he's clearly not the generational athlete he's claiming to be, you'd have to be gullible or ignorant to believe him
Another important thing to note is although I got a vicious reaction when I brought up the sponsor, Cadence, for the Osaka trip, it turns out it's a brand new hydration company founded by one of WG's closest friends and business partners George Heaton, who is also the founder of Represent, 247 and Castore [major manufacturers for UK football teams, like Rangers].
As we know WG was also a massive brand ambassador for Puresport, founded by Grayson Hart, who was crew chief for this one, although for some reason Hart then suddenly resigned from Puresport and put out a brusque notice saying he had nothing to do with them any more, and WG doesn't seem to be affiliated to them either.
But in short, wherever Goodge goes with this high profile adventure runs, his close friends with big, often start-up or merging companies, aren't far behind, hocking their products off his back and Goodge was of course elected head of running and coaching at both Puresport and Represent/247.
There is an awful lot of cash flying about with these things, and it's far less about the athletics than it is about brand development. This was pointed out by a member of Team GB at Transcon who said it was like being on a movie set and he couldn't believe the infrastructure he had behind him.
But what all these brands need is for their poster boy to be looking good and performing great. Otherwise, it doesn't come across as so joyous and pioneering. WG rips through companies he promotes at a very fair lick. We had 55 days of Nucalm, Nucalm, Nucalm, claiming they were the secret of his Transcon success, and then we never heard another word about them. And now the same goes for Puresport. Hundreds of infomercials he did for them, all Cordyceps this, Ashwagandha that, and now nothing. Now it's all Cadence, although it's most unclear what it is.
WillC’s bias is obvious - believe whatever you want.
I have a huge bias towards Celtic Football Club. If I claim that Celtic are the best team in Scotland my bias doesn't make my claim null and void, because I'm also pointing to the evidence that we've won the league in 13 out of the last 14 years.
PK has commented on WG's Australia video with "Go luck. I'm coming" along with an instagram story that states he'll best whatever WG does by at least 5 days. Fun!
Balenger will not be accompanying Will in Australia and there will be no other elite distance runners there. How will you explain the “cheating” then Cockell-doodle-doo?
Hi all, so does anyone know the kick-off for this extravaganza? He is in Perth and all over his media the message is clear: the fastest all time... one of the greatest, if not the greatest multiday performances of all time incoming. And we still don't even have a start day to watch out for, which could technically mean he could do a few days unobserved, or something mad like that.
He also seems to have no clue what he wants to do. He said on one podcast 63 miles a day, but has now upped it to 68 somewhere else. Well, which is it? 63 is horrendously tough, and super world class, and 68 clearly downright impossible and even more ludicrous than the bonkers claims of Johnson and Brockmann.
You are witnessing false advertising, skulduggery and a modern day 17th Century Tulip mania hoodwink of the highest order. How can he possibly do 68 miles a day across Australia? Totally daft. If he does, watch that heart crash to 105bpm.
I would remind everyone that in his warm-up in Japan he completely collapsed from 67 in 12:32, to 59 in 14:03 three days later [and that off a collapsed heart].
This is the level of batsh*ttery we're being sold. A big Aussie sporting podcast are observing closely - will forward this note to them.
Ok, he replied to my question with this; so at least it shook the apple loose from the tree:
April 15th, 6am, Cottesloe beach and I’ll do whatever the f*ck I want, I’m a savage. Me and my ego are gunna love that record placed on my grandmas wall
---------------------------
Meanwhile PJ is doing a 6 day race and announced a goal of 500 miles, but is only on 61 miles after 20 hours. Not quite the way to go about it - and highlights how berserk WGs 68.5 mpd goal is. These runfluencers will simply say anything.
I think Goodge had to up his per day average after Pete told him he was coming for him.
well he always said the 35 days - ludicrously stating he didn't want to just beat Turnbull [39] but annihilate him. He thought it was "only" 3800k, but Turnbull corrected to 3864, thus it's now 68.57.
But yes, PK is now eyeing up 30, which is frisky, but at least PK is the real deal.
