Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

Some Persepective wrote:

Me upon receiving my undergrad in 2001:

Work experience: None

Graduate Degree: None

Starting Salary: $66,500

Just sayin'.

Cool. Nice going. Not exactly a straight up comparison as salaries both for new hires and more experienced people ultimately typically in a corporate world merge closer and closer together. I also bought a house three years before that while you were still in college that I now own outright that is now worth three times what I paid for it. So, I locked in a low mortgage before you even graduated so that even if you made the same as me in 2001 and not ~$5,000 less, your outgo would be more than mine. When I graduated from college, my first apartment rent in the SF Bay area was $400 a month. Just apples to oranges here really.

Also, like I said, I am not in that business anymore. I struck out on my own really only to have more freedom, but I have ended up making a lot more than I did then and than I would be now if I stayed doing what I was doing in 2001.

But, cool story.

Let Freedom Ring wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I struck out on my own really only to have more freedom.

Only you don't have a lot of freedom now. I'm in the manufacturing industry and hire consultants just like you. You had better be available (or someone in your company) for all three shifts, 7 days a week if something needs to be addressed. I'd hate to be on call all the time, including vacations, etc. Since you work by yourself, you have no one to cover for you. There's no freedom in that.

And if you say that is not how you work or that what you work on you don't need to be available all the time, you are lying. You've stated what your responsibilities are/have been.

You may not have a corporate "boss" to report to, but you had better be available to those that have put you on contract.

Some Persepective wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Cool. Nice going. Not exactly a straight up comparison as salaries both for new hires and more experienced people ultimately typically in a corporate world merge closer and closer together. I also bought a house three years before that while you were still in college that I now own outright that is now worth three times what I paid for it. So, I locked in a low mortgage before you even graduated so that even if you made the same as me in 2001 and not ~$5,000 less, your outgo would be more than mine. When I graduated from college, my first apartment rent in the SF Bay area was $400 a month. Just apples to oranges here really.

Also, like I said, I am not in that business anymore. I struck out on my own really only to have more freedom, but I have ended up making a lot more than I did then and than I would be now if I stayed doing what I was doing in 2001.

But, cool story.

1) "salaries both for new hires and more experienced people ultimately typically in a corporate world merge closer and closer together."

Even if true (not in my case), you'll never be able to make up the income gap. Twelve years is too long of a time. You'll never catch up. Plus, if you've been working for 10+ years and only earning slightly more than new hires, it's quite apparent you aren't exactly on the fast track to advancement.

2) "I also bought a house three years before that while you were still in college that I now own outright that is now worth three times what I paid for it."

Awesome. In true LRC fashion, I was able to live with the parents for my first four years out of college. Not a lot of outgo.

Nothing like socking away $250+K the first four years out of college. The majority of it was invested after the bubble burst. Do you know how much that four year investing period alone is worth today? Again, you'll never be able to catch up from that slow start and fortunate timing by me.

At least you go that mortgage deduction though. With all that interest you paid, is it REALLY worth three times what you PAID for it? I love when people say ignorant things like that.

3) "When I graduated from college, my first apartment rent in the SF Bay area was $400 a month."

Pretty special. From the sounds of it, that was about all you could afford.

4) "Also, like I said, I am not in that business anymore. I struck out on my own really only to have more freedom, but I have ended up making a lot more than I did then and than I would be now if I stayed doing what I was doing in 2001."

Let's be serious. It's not like you could be earning any LESS. As I said above, you apparently weren't going anywhere fast in your corporate job.

5) "Just apples to oranges here really."

No kidding, right?

Flagpole wrote:

Let Freedom Ring wrote:

Only you don't have a lot of freedom now. I'm in the manufacturing industry and hire consultants just like you. You had better be available (or someone in your company) for all three shifts, 7 days a week if something needs to be addressed. I'd hate to be on call all the time, including vacations, etc. Since you work by yourself, you have no one to cover for you. There's no freedom in that.

And if you say that is not how you work or that what you work on you don't need to be available all the time, you are lying. You've stated what your responsibilities are/have been.

You may not have a corporate "boss" to report to, but you had better be available to those that have put you on contract.

INCORRECT! I am never on call. I don't work that way. I work when I like except once in a while when I have a meeting with someone across the world so I need to either stay up late or get up early. Sorry brother, just because you say I'm lying if I say I don't work like that doesn't make it true. I do not avail myself to them with regard to daily operations. Business consultants don't typically do that either ones who work for a company or independent ones like me. That's what a contact IT person or System Admin person would do. I don't accept those tasks. Funny that someone who works for someone else has an idea how my work goes when you've never done what I do.

Flagpole wrote:

Let Freedom Ring wrote:

Only you don't have a lot of freedom now. I'm in the manufacturing industry and hire consultants just like you. You had better be available (or someone in your company) for all three shifts, 7 days a week if something needs to be addressed. I'd hate to be on call all the time, including vacations, etc. Since you work by yourself, you have no one to cover for you. There's no freedom in that.

And if you say that is not how you work or that what you work on you don't need to be available all the time, you are lying. You've stated what your responsibilities are/have been.

You may not have a corporate "boss" to report to, but you had better be available to those that have put you on contract.

INCORRECT! I am never on call. I don't work that way. I work when I like except once in a while when I have a meeting with someone across the world so I need to either stay up late or get up early. Sorry brother, just because you say I'm lying if I say I don't work like that doesn't make it true. I do not avail myself to them with regard to daily operations. Business consultants don't typically do that either ones who work for a company or independent ones like me. That's what a contact IT person or System Admin person would do. I don't accept those tasks. Funny that someone who works for someone else has an idea how my work goes when you've never done what I do.

Lyin’ Flagpile wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

INCORRECT! I am never on call. I don't work that way. I work when I like except once in a while when I have a meeting with someone across the world so I need to either stay up late or get up early. Sorry brother, just because you say I'm lying if I say I don't work like that doesn't make it true. I do not avail myself to them with regard to daily operations. Business consultants don't typically do that either ones who work for a company or independent ones like me. That's what a contact IT person or System Admin person would do. I don't accept those tasks. Funny that someone who works for someone else has an idea how my work goes when you've never done what I do.

Lies.

Somehow Flagpole has become the only “business consultant” (I use that term loosely here) to not be beholden to those that hire him.

He’s their boss.

Idiot detected wrote:

Lyin’ Flagpile wrote:

Lies.

Somehow Flagpole has become the only “business consultant” (I use that term loosely here) to not be beholden to those that hire him.

He’s their boss.

If you had actually spent a day in your life working instead of being a basement dwelling degenerate you would have understood that the job flagpole describes isn't the form of consultancy that lends itself to 24hr availability as its pretty unimportant.

If you do strategy consulting where you get paid a lot of money to deliver high impact work by a deadline, sure you have to be ready to work all the time - less so because the client has requests at 3am but more so because deadlines are typically tight and the profession is full of workaholics.

If all you're doing is making software purchasing recommendations, there's no way said recommendation can't wait until the next morning or extra requests float in around 3am.

Noone wakes up at 3am wondering whether they should or shouldn't purchase the enterprise license version of whatever software we're talking about because noone really cares - it might be important, but it's boring.