Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

new to thread wrote:

Just looked up William Goodge after seeing this thread pop back up.

Yea, you can tell this guy is a fraud right from the start.

I'm a hobby jogger who ran D3 NCAA in college 10 years ago. Just hit 2:45 marathon within the last year. And lately I've been balancing hitting the gym 5 times a week with 35-45 mpw.

Red flags for me:

1) this guy is way too big to be setting any running records. He's juicier than Ken Rideout (who's definitely loaded on T). This, of course, makes him more marketable to the goggins goons and Rogan-ites who lap this sh*t up as if 200lbs is the ideal ultra running weight.

2) of course front and center in his strava is another appeal to the wannabe 'hybrid' athletes - axe throwing and archery. Why else would this even be on Strava? It's marketing bs.

3) of course there's the irregular strava workout data. Why is it that his HR spikes during the first rep (near 170 which is logical) but never touches that again until 14 reps in? And how is his HR dropping below 120 at several points mid-session? Do people really think that's reasonable?

4) again on the workout. That's actually a huge session. And as a faster marathoner than him with likely more training specificity, I would not be able to complete that session at 7k ft. The fact that he did, while only running 30-50mpw is hilarious and farcical.

All the pieces add up to this guy being a scam. Probably a good potential sponsor for keytones.

willvlc wrote:

new to thread wrote:

Just looked up William Goodge after seeing this thread pop back up.

Yea, you can tell this guy is a fraud right from the start.

I'm a hobby jogger who ran D3 NCAA in college 10 years ago. Just hit 2:45 marathon within the last year. And lately I've been balancing hitting the gym 5 times a week with 35-45 mpw.

Red flags for me:

1) this guy is way too big to be setting any running records. He's juicier than Ken Rideout (who's definitely loaded on T). This, of course, makes him more marketable to the goggins goons and Rogan-ites who lap this sh*t up as if 200lbs is the ideal ultra running weight.

2) of course front and center in his strava is another appeal to the wannabe 'hybrid' athletes - axe throwing and archery. Why else would this even be on Strava? It's marketing bs.

3) of course there's the irregular strava workout data. Why is it that his HR spikes during the first rep (near 170 which is logical) but never touches that again until 14 reps in? And how is his HR dropping below 120 at several points mid-session? Do people really think that's reasonable?

4) again on the workout. That's actually a huge session. And as a faster marathoner than him with likely more training specificity, I would not be able to complete that session at 7k ft. The fact that he did, while only running 30-50mpw is hilarious and farcical.

All the pieces add up to this guy being a scam. Probably a good potential sponsor for keytones.

Thanks for your superb insight. Yes, very little about the session makes sense. The heart should be regular, but instead the WG graph is a complete ziz zag. Just looked at a session of my son Seb the other day. A good runner, 12 x 300. Run in about 49s with 50 jog recoveries of 100 metres. The heart rate line remains just a steady static line as he deviates between 135 to 145. There is just one huge dip in the middle where he takes 2:45 between sets.

Also, if you zoom in on the track, Seb's red line is just what you would expect - loads of squiggly, mutant bits as the athlete fetches a water bottle, walks around in little circles at the end of the set, all that. Nothing like that on WGs session, just a thick red line. Yet the video has him going onto the infield and collapsing on numerous reps. Strava picks all that up.

His heart is all over the place, you're quite right, with massive up and down spikes. For instance at 31:48 he's at 178, but at 32:10 he's at 124. That is very odd indeed.

I wonder also whether he hasn't just posted Balenger's session completely. It's all pretty tidy stuff for someone in a right mess. Balenger hasn't posted his session which is pretty inexplicable, and was notorious for not posting runs during Transcon [as Goodge's handler] when he had 55 days to put in some serious darn mileage and had a big 24 hour to prepare for.

A few years ago Goodge certainly posted a session of his mate's at Battersea. A good 2:45 marathoner and their session on Strava is identical to the second. Absolutely certain it's the same watch. People simply don't run identical sessions, can't happen, won't happen.

And yes he is far too big to be this ultra god he claims, and yet wants us to believe he was cruising across the States pulling stuff like 9 miles in 80 mins off 110-125bpm. That's Kostelnick pace [or a fair bit better], but of course Pete would be at 160bpm for that pace. WG is claiming the 8th fastest 2nd half split in Transcon history.

Today he's just posted a massive commercial reel for a Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster. A superb gig to have landed. That could have easily gone to a real ultra runner, but instead it goes to him as: "ultra-endurance athlete Will. From personal loss to unimaginable distances, Will's trail running journey showcases the power of resilience and passion."

He then speaks of how he uses the vehicle to reach unchartered terrains. News to us.

WG and RB are hoping we'll stop monitoring them. No chance.

BaselineSub4 wrote:

willvlc wrote:

Thanks for your superb insight. Yes, very little about the session makes sense. The heart should be regular, but instead the WG graph is a complete ziz zag. Just looked at a session of my son Seb the other day. A good runner, 12 x 300. Run in about 49s with 50 jog recoveries of 100 metres. The heart rate line remains just a steady static line as he deviates between 135 to 145. There is just one huge dip in the middle where he takes 2:45 between sets.

Also, if you zoom in on the track, Seb's red line is just what you would expect - loads of squiggly, mutant bits as the athlete fetches a water bottle, walks around in little circles at the end of the set, all that. Nothing like that on WGs session, just a thick red line. Yet the video has him going onto the infield and collapsing on numerous reps. Strava picks all that up.

His heart is all over the place, you're quite right, with massive up and down spikes. For instance at 31:48 he's at 178, but at 32:10 he's at 124. That is very odd indeed.

I wonder also whether he hasn't just posted Balenger's session completely. It's all pretty tidy stuff for someone in a right mess. Balenger hasn't posted his session which is pretty inexplicable, and was notorious for not posting runs during Transcon [as Goodge's handler] when he had 55 days to put in some serious darn mileage and had a big 24 hour to prepare for.

A few years ago Goodge certainly posted a session of his mate's at Battersea. A good 2:45 marathoner and their session on Strava is identical to the second. Absolutely certain it's the same watch. People simply don't run identical sessions, can't happen, won't happen.

And yes he is far too big to be this ultra god he claims, and yet wants us to believe he was cruising across the States pulling stuff like 9 miles in 80 mins off 110-125bpm. That's Kostelnick pace [or a fair bit better], but of course Pete would be at 160bpm for that pace. WG is claiming the 8th fastest 2nd half split in Transcon history.

Today he's just posted a massive commercial reel for a Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster. A superb gig to have landed. That could have easily gone to a real ultra runner, but instead it goes to him as: "ultra-endurance athlete Will. From personal loss to unimaginable distances, Will's trail running journey showcases the power of resilience and passion."

He then speaks of how he uses the vehicle to reach unchartered terrains. News to us.

WG and RB are hoping we'll stop monitoring them. No chance.

I have watched this thread and loved this thread and must agree once again with
bedbucks and others, esp 'new to thread' who talks proper sense, and of course willvlc despite his failings.
Goodge is a fraud. It's obvious, as everyone can see from his MASSIVELY compromised HR data when he is doing his running stuff for cash YET when he goes on a proper race he is clearly useless and slow -yet with a normal Strava HR on those normal races- do the math, of course he's cheating on TransCon, his own attempts on weird records outside of a proper race, I agree with Willvlc, Goodge clearly cheats when he's on his own or with Robbie Balenger on a bike, so obvious, but then sadly the influencer community don't care about actual times or actual achievements in actual races, so he'll crack on. and get moolah

As 'new to thread' correctly points out, Goodge is far too muscular and heavy to be any good at ultra running, and of course he is not good!

It was disappointing that Rich Roll was taken in by the Goodge fraud last year but, again, he has something to sell I suppose. When he realises that Goodge it a fraud then hopefully he will retract those certain statements.
As Willvlc says, we must preserve our noble sport, which will be fine if it is sanctioned but we can't stop Goodge cheating.

BaselineSub4 wrote:

willvlc wrote:

Thanks for your superb insight. Yes, very little about the session makes sense. The heart should be regular, but instead the WG graph is a complete ziz zag. Just looked at a session of my son Seb the other day. A good runner, 12 x 300. Run in about 49s with 50 jog recoveries of 100 metres. The heart rate line remains just a steady static line as he deviates between 135 to 145. There is just one huge dip in the middle where he takes 2:45 between sets.

Also, if you zoom in on the track, Seb's red line is just what you would expect - loads of squiggly, mutant bits as the athlete fetches a water bottle, walks around in little circles at the end of the set, all that. Nothing like that on WGs session, just a thick red line. Yet the video has him going onto the infield and collapsing on numerous reps. Strava picks all that up.

His heart is all over the place, you're quite right, with massive up and down spikes. For instance at 31:48 he's at 178, but at 32:10 he's at 124. That is very odd indeed.

I wonder also whether he hasn't just posted Balenger's session completely. It's all pretty tidy stuff for someone in a right mess. Balenger hasn't posted his session which is pretty inexplicable, and was notorious for not posting runs during Transcon [as Goodge's handler] when he had 55 days to put in some serious darn mileage and had a big 24 hour to prepare for.

A few years ago Goodge certainly posted a session of his mate's at Battersea. A good 2:45 marathoner and their session on Strava is identical to the second. Absolutely certain it's the same watch. People simply don't run identical sessions, can't happen, won't happen.

And yes he is far too big to be this ultra god he claims, and yet wants us to believe he was cruising across the States pulling stuff like 9 miles in 80 mins off 110-125bpm. That's Kostelnick pace [or a fair bit better], but of course Pete would be at 160bpm for that pace. WG is claiming the 8th fastest 2nd half split in Transcon history.

Today he's just posted a massive commercial reel for a Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster. A superb gig to have landed. That could have easily gone to a real ultra runner, but instead it goes to him as: "ultra-endurance athlete Will. From personal loss to unimaginable distances, Will's trail running journey showcases the power of resilience and passion."

He then speaks of how he uses the vehicle to reach unchartered terrains. News to us.

WG and RB are hoping we'll stop monitoring them. No chance.

I have watched this thread and loved this thread and must agree once again with
bedbucks and others, esp 'new to thread' who talks proper sense, and of course willvlc despite his failings.
Goodge is a fraud. It's obvious, as everyone can see from his MASSIVELY compromised HR data when he is doing his running stuff for cash YET when he goes on a proper race he is clearly useless and slow -yet with a normal Strava HR on those normal races- do the math, of course he's cheating on TransCon, his own attempts on weird records outside of a proper race, I agree with Willvlc, Goodge clearly cheats when he's on his own or with Robbie Balenger on a bike, so obvious, but then sadly the influencer community don't care about actual times or actual achievements in actual races, so he'll crack on. and get moolah

As 'new to thread' correctly points out, Goodge is far too muscular and heavy to be any good at ultra running, and of course he is not good!

It was disappointing that Rich Roll was taken in by the Goodge fraud last year but, again, he has something to sell I suppose. When he realises that Goodge it a fraud then hopefully he will retract those certain statements.
As Willvlc says, we must preserve our noble sport, which will be fine if it is sanctioned but we can't stop Goodge cheating.