Fair enough on some of those points and any generalization is of course not going to always apply. And I will say there are plenty of solo running YouTubers that receive nothing but praise here because they are really quite humble. Göran Winblad or Sean Tobin come to mind. But then there are people like Nick Bester who has a big poster of himself with his 2:19 time in big bold letters behind him in most videos and you can't help but roll your eyes.
This post probably isn't going to go down well here but I've met Bester and seen him at races and at no point have I ever seen him be anything but a nice guy. Joking with everyone, encouraging and not acting in an arrogant way at all. Time for everyone from what I've seen.
You may say thats not a big deal its just basic human courtesy or hes faking it but I've seen and encountered other influences who certainly havent acted in that way...
As for his content - some of it is a bit much and not my cup of tea but dont mind his 'race along' ones which lots of other influences have used or adapted (CrownMyRun for example).
Also other than Fox havent heard much negative stuff about Bester. Two of my favourite (and this subs by the looks of it) channels are CrownMyRun and RanToJapan. The former has previously accepted an invite to be paced by Bester and seems to like him. The latter has done an interview with him. Did one with Goran & one with Bester.
I just question the couch for not encouraging her to modify her approach for the weather. We’re all encouraged to do it, why does that not apply to the elites?
There is a difference between a " normal elite" runner and a "youtube elite" runner
A "normal elite" runner is primarily concerned with their health, their running career and maximizing their potential within running. They listen to their coach, they learn, they look at the conditions and race based on how they feel and the weather.
A "Youtube elite" runner is primarily concerned with getting as many views as possible, getting free gear sent to them, shilling for whoever pays them and being the centre of attention. They wont listen to their coach or worry about the weather or the course. If their goal at the start of the block was 2:20 then they will attempt 2:20 on the day no matter what
EddBudd is up trying to explain away his poor performance. No mention of the fact he went out too fast for his fitness, so we’ll gloss over that. He’s pleased with his performance up to 20 miles though, so that’s good.
Ed is a good guy and isnt giving training advice or selling us anything. He is a shoe (and sometimes music) reviewer who enjoys running. His races are just a bonus piece of content
His training didn't really look the best but he finished in a decent time for him in the conditions. It was absolutely brutal out there
EddBudd is up trying to explain away his poor performance. No mention of the fact he went out too fast for his fitness, so we’ll gloss over that. He’s pleased with his performance up to 20 miles though, so that’s good.
Ed is a good guy and isnt giving training advice or selling us anything. He is a shoe (and sometimes music) reviewer who enjoys running. His races are just a bonus piece of content
His training didn't really look the best but he finished in a decent time for him in the conditions. It was absolutely brutal out there
Maybe, but he must have known he wasn’t going to get the best out of himself from such poor training? Or maybe not. 3:20 was his stated aim, which was never going to happen. He does such low mileage and of course most of that is done too fast.
Two points to counter as stupidity still running high from ppl who know nothing about running.
Firstly,On won't be disappointed as 1 .. yes 1 non elites starter went a few seconds quicker, who should have been in the elite women's field really, as they understand how running works. That runner was under different race conditions.
Please see previous points on women's only WR, double standards on pacers then forgetting that counts from the uneducated here.
Secondly, professional runners make very little from running. If the job is crossed with content on YouTube it's because athletics doesn't pay. Bully's on here slagging a pro athlete performance need a good hard look at themselves.
Two points to counter as stupidity still running high from ppl who know nothing about running.
Firstly,On won't be disappointed as 1 .. yes 1 non elites starter went a few seconds quicker, who should have been in the elite women's field really, as they understand how running works. That runner was under different race conditions.
Please see previous points on women's only WR, double standards on pacers then forgetting that counts from the uneducated here.
Secondly, professional runners make very little from running. If the job is crossed with content on YouTube it's because athletics doesn't pay. Bully's on here slagging a pro athlete performance need a good hard look at themselves.
So you're the reason Phily's Love The Grind Ts are out of stock.
I doubt On care either way. She's not the focus of any of their marketing material or even on their website.
It's probably quite a marketing coupe though for the exposure they get by chucking some free kit her way, then sponsoring the occasional video.
This post probably isn't going to go down well here but I've met Bester and seen him at races and at no point have I ever seen him be anything but a nice guy. Joking with everyone, encouraging and not acting in an arrogant way at all. Time for everyone from what I've seen.
That's fine but for your few experiences, there's multiples more with contrary experiences.
- Bester physically shoved a bunch of people out of his way in the starting pen of The Big Half last year (before bonking at Mile 8) in London - He's at Battersea 5K again making a song and dance about himself on the start-line - He's on the start line of Cambridge Half telling people he needs space to film his vlog - Some of his interactions with the Winchester Athletics Club group - FOD Runner posted earlier in this thread that Bester has been... unsavoury and disingenuous in their interactions. - Ben Is Running said on his podcast that Bester is an 'hole - and frankly it comes down to little things in how he comes across in his videos; performative, inauthentic and even in races just sits in behind other people and then complains when the pace wasn't quicker, or stupid stuff like faking his race-photos by doing strides after
then we go onto the extortionate 'coaching' practices, charging hundreds of dollars just for people to speak to him once a month on the phone, and what those interactions actually look like when you get a training plan from him. The list could go on.
I ultimately don't care, but I'm just saying the views on him aren't unfounded, they're collected from numerous accounts all consistent with one another
No fan of PB, but no fan of ppl spouting nonsense either. This thread has lots of hobby joggers pretending to understand running having a dig at decent runners for performances that were decent.
It's the lack of knowledge and contradictions in arguments I'm countering.
That's fine but for your few experiences, there's multiples more with contrary experiences.
- Bester physically shoved a bunch of people out of his way in the starting pen of The Big Half last year (before bonking at Mile 8) in London - He's at Battersea 5K again making a song and dance about himself on the start-line - He's on the start line of Cambridge Half telling people he needs space to film his vlog - Some of his interactions with the Winchester Athletics Club group - FOD Runner posted earlier in this thread that Bester has been... unsavoury and disingenuous in their interactions. - Ben Is Running said on his podcast that Bester is an 'hole - and frankly it comes down to little things in how he comes across in his videos; performative, inauthentic and even in races just sits in behind other people and then complains when the pace wasn't quicker, or stupid stuff like faking his race-photos by doing strides after
then we go onto the extortionate 'coaching' practices, charging hundreds of dollars just for people to speak to him once a month on the phone, and what those interactions actually look like when you get a training plan from him. The list could go on.
I ultimately don't care, but I'm just saying the views on him aren't unfounded, they're collected from numerous accounts all consistent with one another
Yeah both sides don't surprise me. For someone with narcissistic tendencies showing up at a local event and posing for photos and making nice with the little people is all part of being a big deal.
On the other hand if one of the little people cause him a problem you'll see a different side.
This post probably isn't going to go down well here but I've met Bester and seen him at races and at no point have I ever seen him be anything but a nice guy. Joking with everyone, encouraging and not acting in an arrogant way at all. Time for everyone from what I've seen.
That's fine but for your few experiences, there's multiples more with contrary experiences.
- Bester physically shoved a bunch of people out of his way in the starting pen of The Big Half last year (before bonking at Mile 8) in London - He's at Battersea 5K again making a song and dance about himself on the start-line - He's on the start line of Cambridge Half telling people he needs space to film his vlog - Some of his interactions with the Winchester Athletics Club group - FOD Runner posted earlier in this thread that Bester has been... unsavoury and disingenuous in their interactions. - Ben Is Running said on his podcast that Bester is an 'hole - and frankly it comes down to little things in how he comes across in his videos; performative, inauthentic and even in races just sits in behind other people and then complains when the pace wasn't quicker, or stupid stuff like faking his race-photos by doing strides after
then we go onto the extortionate 'coaching' practices, charging hundreds of dollars just for people to speak to him once a month on the phone, and what those interactions actually look like when you get a training plan from him. The list could go on.
I ultimately don't care, but I'm just saying the views on him aren't unfounded, they're collected from numerous accounts all consistent with one another
Not heard before that Ben Felton or FOD didn’t like him.
Have you got links to those? Not saying I don’t believe you but interested to read/hear it
Just to clarify… someone went through all their experiences they’d had with “influencers” and asked if any of the “influencers” that read this forum agreed or had their own take.
I mentioned that I’d had interactions with most of who were mentioned in their list and said I agree with some and not with others. I then stated that I’d had a couple of interactions with one “influencer” at some Battersea park races and both times, said “influencer” was very happy to see me but then as they saw someone else they knew they walked off, even when I was mid sentence…
People then assumed it was Nick.. I was not prepared to confirm nor deny… so you may read into that what you wish…
Phew, that was the most non committal response I think I’ve ever written, should be a politician
I was behind Philly in the line for race bibs at an event and said "hi", she seemed glad that I identified her. Nice enough.
A group of 40 plus runners were also in the queue, as time went on it became more apparent that they didn't know who she was, despite them chatting. She appeared more and more disgruntled.
Eventually, I was shocked when heard her say to them that she was royalty, a German princess. They were completely wowed, visibly impressed.
She started listing charitable work, academic achievements and starting talking about Castle infrastructure at one point.
I wasn't sure what to say, so kept in buttoned.
Why would someone make outlandish claims like this? Odd behaviour.
What up with Floberg? Is he injured/sick? He mentioned that he's signed up for Grandma's Marathon on June 21, although his goal race is Chicago. He was flirting with doing Marathon Project in late December.
What up with Floberg? Is he injured/sick? He mentioned that he's signed up for Grandma's Marathon on June 21, although his goal race is Chicago. He was flirting with doing Marathon Project in late December.
He has probably realised he doesn't love running as much now that he's running 80 miles a week, puking and pooing every workout to lower his PR by a minute at a time. He thinks he should be knocking 10 mins off his PR every run
I was behind Philly in the line for race bibs at an event and said "hi", she seemed glad that I identified her. Nice enough.
A group of 40 plus runners were also in the queue, as time went on it became more apparent that they didn't know who she was, despite them chatting. She appeared more and more disgruntled.
Eventually, I was shocked when heard her say to them that she was royalty, a German princess. They were completely wowed, visibly impressed.
She started listing charitable work, academic achievements and starting talking about Castle infrastructure at one point.
I wasn't sure what to say, so kept in buttoned.
Why would someone make outlandish claims like this? Odd behaviour.
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